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Post by lmills72 on Sept 23, 2015 21:23:03 GMT -6
Saw their preseason mag on the shelf tonight. Has the Cards picked third in the west behind Central and Western. Article seemed to base this elevation primarily on the arrival of Wells, not so much what he might do statistically, but the theory that his presence will allow the rest of the team (House, Calhoun, Weber, etc.) to play positions that more match their abilities and might give them an advantage vs. playing out of position at a disadvantage.
So, is this guy smoking something or do you believe?
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Post by bsu0 on Sept 25, 2015 11:52:53 GMT -6
I hope for Coach's sake it comes to pass. Improvement this year has to be on the menu or we will probably be looking for a new regime.
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Post by Bigfoot on Sept 25, 2015 18:03:27 GMT -6
Saw their preseason mag on the shelf tonight. Has the Cards picked third in the west behind Central and Western. Article seemed to base this elevation primarily on the arrival of Wells, not so much what he might do statistically, but the theory that his presence will allow the rest of the team (House, Calhoun, Weber, etc.) to play positions that more match their abilities and might give them an advantage vs. playing out of position at a disadvantage. So, is this guy smoking something or do you believe? I think that speculation has merit!
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Post by williamtsherman on Sept 26, 2015 11:36:43 GMT -6
Wells may be the best option at center. But with him having averaged 1.6 ppg and 1.1 rpg at Bradley, that just shows how little Whitford has done towards recruiting big men...which is why his trajectory is towards the hot seat rather than the big dance.
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Post by gjquest on Sept 26, 2015 16:18:21 GMT -6
If I remember right , the writer mentions that Wells in his last 9 games averaged 7points , 3.3 rebounds , and 1.4 blocks , the hope is that is the Wells we are getting ...
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Post by thebsukid on Sept 27, 2015 15:57:42 GMT -6
These guys don't have a clue other than the possibility of Blue Ribbon Magazine.
I would not be surprised if Wells comes off the bench and Trey Moses starts at Center...Trey has more potential and had a killer game in the Bahamas even though he's new to the system.
Wouldn't be surprised to see Moses at the #5, Weber at the #4, Sellers at the # 3,Tyler at the #2 and Davis at the #1.
And, by the way, the second five would have started the last few seasons.
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Post by lmills72 on Sept 27, 2015 16:28:03 GMT -6
These guys don't have a clue other than the possibility of Blue Ribbon Magazine. Yes, that is true of virtually all preseason mags. Just thought I'd throw it out there to generate a little discussion. Personally, I think maybe there's some merit to the idea of Wells' impact, but the reality is nobody other than the staff (and maybe not even them) is really going to know what type of team the Cards will be this year until they see it on the court, in game situations.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 27, 2015 17:51:56 GMT -6
Wells may be the best option at center. But with him having averaged 1.6 ppg and 1.1 rpg at Bradley, that just shows how little Whitford has done towards recruiting big men...which is why his trajectory is towards the hot seat rather than the big dance. So by this year you expected a MAC tourney winner based on recruiting one or more good big men who would lead the way? I doubt any coach in his right mind would have taken the job on those terms. Recruiting has looked pretty good overall to me.
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Post by thebsukid on Sept 27, 2015 20:32:01 GMT -6
Agree!! We will be a top 4 seed in the MAC Tournament...write it down!!!
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Post by thebsukid on Sept 27, 2015 20:34:08 GMT -6
PS General, I love ya but Whitford is going to make you believe again!!
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Post by williamtsherman on Sept 28, 2015 11:18:05 GMT -6
Wells may be the best option at center. But with him having averaged 1.6 ppg and 1.1 rpg at Bradley, that just shows how little Whitford has done towards recruiting big men...which is why his trajectory is towards the hot seat rather than the big dance. So by this year you expected a MAC tourney winner based on recruiting one or more good big men who would lead the way? I doubt any coach in his right mind would have taken the job on those terms. Recruiting has looked pretty good overall to me. I'm sorry to have caused you to misunderstand my point. Obviously the concept of "trajectory" is a little too subtle for your understanding. For your future reference, "trajectory" refers to the direction the program is heading and the idea of trying to forcast a future state based on past and present factors and direction. It does NOT refer to the results of any particular single moment in time. Just thinking out loud here, but maybe it would be a good idea to create a special "low IQ" forum for the intellectually challenged among us? We could periodically go in and summarize the topics currently under discussion on the regular forums in a simplistic and accessible way. I think it's unpleasant and frustrating for all concerned when a certain subset of members consistently misunderstand and misrepresent everyone's posts.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 28, 2015 12:45:21 GMT -6
So by this year you expected a MAC tourney winner based on recruiting one or more good big men who would lead the way? I doubt any coach in his right mind would have taken the job on those terms. Recruiting has looked pretty good overall to me. I'm sorry to have caused you to misunderstand my point. Obviously the concept of "trajectory" is a little too subtle for your understanding. For your future reference, "trajectory" refers to the direction the program is heading and the idea of trying to forcast a future state based on past and present factors and direction. It does NOT refer to the results of any particular single moment in time. Just thinking out loud here, but maybe it would be a good idea to create a special "low IQ" forum for the intellectually challenged among us? We could periodically go in and summarize the topics currently under discussion on the regular forums in a simplistic and accessible way. I think it's unpleasant and frustrating for all concerned when a certain subset of members consistently misunderstand and misrepresent everyone's posts. Forgive me, but it seems you were projecting a trajectory in recruiting that was so far from winning a MAC tourney as to put the coach on the hot seat. And you don't share all the information you must have to make that projection. For example, I don't know who we will sign in next years class. I see a team this year that is stronger than recent teams. I see a team next year with potentially 5 good MAC players starting from among players he has recruited, a starting 5 with no seniors, all with some experience, and a team with another recruiting class added. What accounts for your evaluation that he is so far away from competing for a championship? Or is your "projected trajectory" not based on recruiting at all, but merely the disappointment with results on the court? Mostly with players who either were not Whitford's recruits...or who were freshmen. For those of us who require some explanation, what were your expectations? What recruiting effort would at this point indicate a high enough "trajectory" toward the big dance? Perhaps due to mental failing I expected and did not see in your post any detailing of what recruiting efforts Whitford actually has made, who he has pursued, where they ended up, who he missed, how different or greater effort would have made a difference. At risk of misunderstanding your post, I did assume you did not like decisions made, but saw no detail about those decisions. Overall recruiting looks pretty good to me. Perhaps I am wrong, but I see two good recruiting classes which is all this coach can really be held accountable for, and I see 3 big men added this year who all look like pretty good signings. What I do see is Ball State with a "trajectory" that makes it likely we are one of the teams that will be in contention in the MAC tourney next year. Put 5 good starters with a year or two of experience on the floor and that seems very likely. Expecting more, sooner, is not what i would expect when you start your tenure as head coach with the Program where Whitford found it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 13:32:34 GMT -6
"I see a team next year with potentially 5 good MAC players"
Yeah that would be one heck of an achievement for a coach in his forth year, I hope we don't lose him to UNC or Duke.
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Post by williamtsherman on Sept 28, 2015 14:11:29 GMT -6
I'll try to answer all your questions in a way you can understand whenever that "low IQ" forum gets created. Until then, I don't want to repost my thoughts about the keys to good MAC recruiting yet again on this forum, because I'm sure everyone else already fully apprehended them after the ten thousand times I previously posted them.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 28, 2015 14:55:56 GMT -6
I'll try to answer all your questions in a way you can understand whenever that "low IQ" forum gets created. Until then, I don't want to repost my thoughts about the keys to good MAC recruiting yet again on this forum, because I'm sure everyone else already fully apprehended them after the ten thousand times I previously posted them. And with all this depth of understanding of MAC recruiting you can't provide any specifics about how Whitford runs the show recruiting and/or how he deviates in his goals, actions and decisions from your 10,000 post body of thought?
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