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Post by wdg777bsu on Sept 4, 2018 11:56:36 GMT -6
Ball State - 1st
Buffalo - 2nd
Toledo- 3rd
Kent State- 4th
Eastern Michigan-5th
Miami Ohio-6th
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Post by wdg777bsu on Sept 4, 2018 11:58:28 GMT -6
Buffalo returns 3 very good players in Massinburg, Harris, and Perkins. Caruthers, and McRae provide them with the best starting 5, but I question the depth of Buffalo. (That is why I give BSU a slight edge!)
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Post by wdg777bsu on Sept 4, 2018 11:59:55 GMT -6
Toledo has a very nice starting 5 as well, but they also lack depth. (Maybe 7 deep!) The AJ Edu big guy looks like he may gets some minutes behind Knapke.
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Post by wdg777bsu on Sept 4, 2018 12:01:43 GMT -6
Kent State: I say they have improved with the addition of CJ Williamson who is a very nice slasher & shooter. Also, probably has the best bench play after Ball State. (Philip Whittington should help inside - transfer from USC Upstate!)
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Post by wdg777bsu on Sept 4, 2018 12:03:03 GMT -6
Eastern Michigan has (3) very nice players in Jackson, Minnie, & Thompson IV. But again where is the depth for this team.
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Post by wdg777bsu on Sept 4, 2018 12:14:41 GMT -6
Miami Ohio: Sibande is a very nice Guard, but they are extremely young and very guard oriented. Lack balance in offense!
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Post by bsutrack on Sept 4, 2018 15:14:25 GMT -6
Buffalo returns 3 very good players in Massinburg, Harris, and Perkins. Caruthers, and McRae provide them with the best starting 5, but I question the depth of Buffalo. (That is why I give BSU a slight edge!) I'm guessing you didn't notice Buffalo's 2018 recruiting class. Two 3.5 Star recruits. SF Jeenathan Williams 6' 6" who's 18 other scholarship offers included offers from NC State, Minnesota, Marquette, Syracuse, Pitt, St. Bonaventure, St. Louis, Rutgers, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Providence, Rhode Island, Virginia, and Seton Hall PG Ronaldo Segu, 6' 0" who also had 18 other scholarship offers from the likes of Florida St and VCU. If they don't start, these two guys should provide a pretty decent bench. Sorry, no way Ball State should be ranked above Buffalo. |
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Post by thebsukid on Sept 5, 2018 13:10:56 GMT -6
I would honestly say that BSU & Buffalo are a toss up...look for these two teams to be the top two seeds going into the MAC tourney.
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Post by TakeMeBackto2008 on Sept 6, 2018 10:10:23 GMT -6
Ball State a "toss up" with Buffalo, or even above them? Did we hire a recruiter this offseason, or did I miss something?
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Post by wdg777bsu on Sept 6, 2018 11:04:58 GMT -6
Don't forgot about Toledo! Starting 5 is very impressive...(Not sure if they got any decent recruits, but same team finished 13-5 in MAC play last year!)
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Post by thebsukid on Sept 6, 2018 11:26:19 GMT -6
Takemeback...yes, I definitely think you've missed something...I even believe the MAC coaches poll will see the same two teams as 1-2 in the conference.
We are arguably 10 deep and are first seven are as good as Buffalo's in my view. Moses may be All Mac as a senior. Persons will likely be All Mac as well. And, certainly Walton, and Teague could breakthrough as second team All Mac players too. Hazen, and Mallers will both be solid and major contributors...would not doubt that Hazen could be newcomer of the year! We will get Ish backing up PG as a Soph with another years experience and Grad Transfer Nehls will provide leadership and a threat from 3.
This is the best team BSU has put on the floor since Maui and arguably better and deeper.
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Post by reevo on Sept 6, 2018 12:56:38 GMT -6
Takemeback...yes, I definitely think you've missed something...I even believe the MAC coaches poll will see the same two teams as 1-2 in the conference. We are arguably 10 deep and are first seven are as good as Buffalo's in my view. Moses may be All Mac as a senior. Persons will likely be All Mac as well. And, certainly Walton, and Teague could breakthrough as second team All Mac players too. Hazen, and Mallers will both be solid and major contributors...would not doubt that Hazen could be newcomer of the year! We will get Ish backing up PG as a Soph with another years experience and Grad Transfer Nehls will provide leadership and a threat from 3. This is the best team BSU has put on the floor since Maui and arguably better and deeper. Kid, there is no argument to be made. The Maui team is far superior talent wise and it is not even close. I realize a lot of time has gone by and you have slept since then but I don't even know if any on the current roster would even start on that team let alone be considered better. Jackson > Persons Huge difference is quickness, defense and don't forget Jackson could shoot as well. Williams > Walton Williams was a far superior scorer and one tough customer. Jones > Moses Greatest Shot blocker and post defender at BSU did not have to score a ton because of roster. Smith > Teague One of the top 5 talented players at BSU. no one on the current team comes close to T. Smith's ability. Mallers > Owens I will give Mallers the slight edge over Owens though Robbie was a far superior athlete and defender. Mallers shoots the ball better. I would give the edge to this current teams bench but the difference between the top 5 players and the overall roster of this years team is still much better. The Maui team on paper is double digits better then the current team. Smith would dominate any matchup and the boards would be owned by the maui group. Much more quickness and athletic ability plus 3 prolific scorers make the maui team an easy winner. |
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Post by cardfan on Sept 6, 2018 13:19:58 GMT -6
Takemeback...yes, I definitely think you've missed something...I even believe the MAC coaches poll will see the same two teams as 1-2 in the conference. We are arguably 10 deep and are first seven are as good as Buffalo's in my view. Moses may be All Mac as a senior. Persons will likely be All Mac as well. And, certainly Walton, and Teague could breakthrough as second team All Mac players too. Hazen, and Mallers will both be solid and major contributors...would not doubt that Hazen could be newcomer of the year! We will get Ish backing up PG as a Soph with another years experience and Grad Transfer Nehls will provide leadership and a threat from 3. This is the best team BSU has put on the floor since Maui and arguably better and deeper. Kid, there is no argument to be made. The Maui team is far superior talent wise and it is not even close. I realize a lot of time has gone by and you have slept since then but I don't even know if any on the current roster would even start on that team let alone be considered better. Jackson > Persons Huge difference is quickness, defense and don't forget Jackson could shoot as well. Williams > Walton Williams was a far superior scorer and one tough customer. Jones > Moses Greatest Shot blocker and post defender at BSU did not have to score a ton because of roster. Smith > Teague One of the top 5 talented players at BSU. no one on the current team comes close to T. Smith's ability. Mallers > Owens I will give Mallers the slight edge over Owens though Robbie was a far superior athlete and defender. Mallers shoots the ball better. I would give the edge to this current teams bench but the difference between the top 5 players and the overall roster of this years team is still much better. The Maui team on paper is double digits better then the current team. Smith would dominate any matchup and the boards would be owned by the maui group. Much more quickness and athletic ability plus 3 prolific scorers make the maui team an easy winner. Yes. No comparison. And let’s not forget we Still haven’t won anything. Need to do that first before proclaiming anything. |
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Post by thebsukid on Sept 6, 2018 15:12:38 GMT -6
We do not agree well possibly in part...this year's team is deeper, and their play this year must be fully considered in fairness to both of our arguments.
By the way, you say they were more talented maybe yes and maybe no:
Jackson-Persons quicker agree but a bigger contributor I think not
Williams-Walton this season will determine but my monies on Walton
Jones-Moses Jones a better defender but Moses better offensively and I suspect better overall stats
Smith-Teague Smith an NBA body and better overall, however, Teague still has two seasons to catch up
Mallers-Owens Mallers the edge
Bench-BSU 2018 Edge
And, I will remind you that the Maui team had talent but most people were very disappointed they could only make an NIT run and did not appear in the big show.... the Maui team underperformed there is little doubt and other than a couple of early season big wins and a few wins in the NIT what did they achieve?
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 6, 2018 15:13:13 GMT -6
This is the best team BSU has put on the floor since Maui and arguably better and deeper. Kid, there is no argument to be made. The Maui team is far superior talent wise and it is not even close. I realize a lot of time has gone by and you have slept since then but I don't even know if any on the current roster would even start on that team let alone be considered better. Jackson > Persons Huge difference is quickness, defense and don't forget Jackson could shoot as well. Williams > Walton Williams was a far superior scorer and one tough customer. Jones > Moses Greatest Shot blocker and post defender at BSU did not have to score a ton because of roster. Smith > Teague One of the top 5 talented players at BSU. no one on the current team comes close to T. Smith's ability. Mallers > Owens I will give Mallers the slight edge over Owens though Robbie was a far superior athlete and defender. Mallers shoots the ball better. I would give the edge to this current teams bench but the difference between the top 5 players and the overall roster of this years team is still much better. The Maui team on paper is double digits better then the current team. Smith would dominate any matchup and the boards would be owned by the maui group. Much more quickness and athletic ability plus 3 prolific scorers make the maui team an easy winner. Jackson and Persons are hard to compare. I'd rate them overall very close. Jackson was quick and smart and seemed to avoid those bonehead errors. But Persons is bigger and stronger, and no denying his fire, and the number of big plays he has made.
Walton, I have to see him play in the MAC, but I was a big fan of Williams. Not easy to compare except if he plays as hard, we won't worry about his shooting, he can get to the basket, a talented player.
Jones and Moses again are again very hard to compare, Lonnie on the floor, that team was better, and his presence made a huge difference on defense. But. Lonnie wasn't on the floor for 40 minutes. Ever. Not even 30 on the vast majority of nights, closer to 20. Trey being able to play at a good level for more minutes makes the comparison tough.
Our forwards are very good, Mallers, Teague and Hazen all better than Owens but not at this point close to Smith. Depth an issue here.
Our bench could be much better, but I am not going to say they are except at forward until I see some play. If they are better, then the edge may be closer than you say for sure.
TSmith who was an exceptional player especially in some big games is the real difference between the two teams. Edge to the Maui version of that team, I'll agree, but I think closer than you say.
At this point I'd definitely take that old team against top teams in big games, because I think they had the proven ability to play great games. Our team has shown some real mental toughness, though. But that Maui team's season was not one uniformly a great one. And this team has not played a game.
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