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Post by CallingBS on Oct 21, 2018 11:03:33 GMT -6
Watching on TV can not compare to the experience of attending in person. Especially on mid-week November games when it is 35 degrees and raining. Yes, fun times indeed
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Post by williamtsherman on Oct 22, 2018 6:03:50 GMT -6
I suppose I should just go read the referenced article myself but I don't get it. They bought the tickets from themselves? Moved the money from one account to another? What was the point in that? Every mac school could claim a sellout every game with just an accounting procedure
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 22, 2018 19:33:27 GMT -6
I suppose I should just go read the referenced article myself but I don't get it. They bought the tickets from themselves? Moved the money from one account to another? What was the point in that? Every mac school could claim a sellout every game with just an accounting procedure This is SOP.
BSU regularly does it as do all the low attendance FBS schools.
What is the point? To maintain a fiction they are like the other FBS...
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Post by williamtsherman on Oct 23, 2018 7:31:27 GMT -6
The NIU situation is perhaps the best example of the farce that is MAC football. They actually pulled off the highly unlikely best case scenario by going to the Orange Bowl in 2013. This is the sort of thing that MAC football supporters long for....the light at the end of the tunnel....the thing that will put them over the top and make them a real D1 program.
So, how did that turn out? Well, they got their ass handed to them by a half-way decent #12 Florida State for one thing. Also they were upset to find that Orange Bowl officials were openly abusing them in Miami, and telling them they didn't really want their kind at the Orange Bowl due to the effect on TV ratings and ticket sales. The money-losing finances were even worse than if they hadn't gone to a bowl, due to the tickets they were obligated to buy and the expenses of sending the team, band, etc. And the lasting effect? Well, we find that a few years later they are still having to pull a ludicrous accounting trick to pretend to even meet minimum attendance requirements.
What, exactly, are MAC football programs shooting for?
The one key factor keeping the MAC in FBS is that the general public simply does not realize how bad the situation really is, and what is being done to keep the ship afloat.
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Post by bsu0 on Oct 23, 2018 9:49:47 GMT -6
General...The farce of Ball State basketball is that we show up every year to play the first game of the MAC tournament in Cleveland. We all know the outcome BEFORE it is played...WE LOSE.
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Post by cardrock on Oct 23, 2018 9:52:30 GMT -6
I can’t imagine the MAC is the only one in this situation.
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Post by cardrock on Oct 23, 2018 9:58:16 GMT -6
Just did a quick search, I’m sure it’s been brought up before, but last year the NCAA brought in $1.1 Billion. Where’s it all go? Why are they putting the screws to the lower level leagues that could use extra money to put a better product out for fans & tv ratings?
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 23, 2018 10:09:48 GMT -6
Just did a quick search, I’m sure it’s been brought up before, but last year the NCAA brought in $1.1 Billion. Where’s it all go? Why are they putting the screws to the lower level leagues that could use extra money to put a better product out for fans & tv ratings? If you want to put on the big boy pants, you gotta pay the tailor. The requirements for participating in FBS football are the same for every school. Some schools are better positioned to pay to meet these requirements. Some are not. If we can't afford to meet them, we shouldn't be in FBS. Real simple.
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Post by grass on Oct 23, 2018 18:48:57 GMT -6
MAC football’s brand includes intimate stadiums, tough kids with chips on their shoulders (many who are good athletes, and some great after 4/5 years of development), and a host of the most prolific NFL hall of farmers in Canton. These things culminate in intrigue on MAC gamedays, and the occasional lightening-in-the-bottle experience (i.e., NIU in the Orange Bowl) or in a household name such as Big Ben. The MAC has earned It’s place in college football, and it does not include a 60K+ stadiums. It is what it is - many schools caught college football’s growth momentum in the early 1900’s. For whatever reasons, the schools that are in the MAC today did not catch / invest at the right time, or at all. The MAC has a unique brand that they stand to lose (or significantly diminish) if they drop out of FBS. And every school’s brand will suffer.
I love football, but I really love be MAC football. And, by the way, heart, chips, and the overachieving underdog is what makes American football the greatest sport ever.
Not that I care.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 23, 2018 18:51:49 GMT -6
amen
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Post by DickHunsaker on Oct 23, 2018 18:54:33 GMT -6
MAC football’s brand includes intimate stadiums, tough kids with chips on their shoulders (many who are good athletes, and some great after 4/5 years of development), and a host of the most prolific NFL hall of farmers in Canton. These things culminate in intrigue on MAC gamedays, and the occasional lightening-in-the-bottle experience (i.e., NIU in the Orange Bowl) or in a household name such as Big Ben. The MAC has earned It’s place in college football, and it does not include a 60K+ stadiums. It is what it is - many schools caught college football’s growth momentum in the early 1900’s. For whatever reasons, the schools that are in the MAC today did not catch / invest at the right time, or at all. The MAC has a unique brand that they stand to lose (or significantly diminish) if they drop out of FBS. And every school’s brand will suffer. I love football, but I really love be MAC football. And, by the way, heart, chips, and the overachieving underdog is what makes American football the greatest sport ever. Not that I care. Praise be
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 23, 2018 19:54:57 GMT -6
Assuming all above is gospel for us as football fans, the fact is still that the glory was mostly obtained in a time past when the money part was much different.
And the issue is whether the MAC can continue today to pay for what is now a much more expensive dream.
Big FSB programs are creating a new reality in college football, one that probably doesn't have a place for MAC football.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 24, 2018 6:20:26 GMT -6
MAC football’s brand includes intimate stadiums, tough kids with chips on their shoulders (many who are good athletes, and some great after 4/5 years of development), and a host of the most prolific NFL hall of farmers in Canton. These things culminate in intrigue on MAC gamedays, and the occasional lightening-in-the-bottle experience (i.e., NIU in the Orange Bowl) or in a household name such as Big Ben. The MAC has earned It’s place in college football, and it does not include a 60K+ stadiums. It is what it is - many schools caught college football’s growth momentum in the early 1900’s. For whatever reasons, the schools that are in the MAC today did not catch / invest at the right time, or at all. The MAC has a unique brand that they stand to lose (or significantly diminish) if they drop out of FBS. And every school’s brand will suffer. I love football, but I really love be MAC football. And, by the way, heart, chips, and the overachieving underdog is what makes American football the greatest sport ever. Not that I care. You forgot the part about whoring themselves out for cheap, poorly-attended ESPN/2/3/+/Ocho midweek games, for "exposure".
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Post by williamtsherman on Oct 24, 2018 7:48:38 GMT -6
MAC football’s brand includes intimate stadiums, tough kids with chips on their shoulders (many who are good athletes, and some great after 4/5 years of development), and a host of the most prolific NFL hall of farmers in Canton. These things culminate in intrigue on MAC gamedays, and the occasional lightening-in-the-bottle experience (i.e., NIU in the Orange Bowl) or in a household name such as Big Ben. The MAC has earned It’s place in college football, and it does not include a 60K+ stadiums. It is what it is - many schools caught college football’s growth momentum in the early 1900’s. For whatever reasons, the schools that are in the MAC today did not catch / invest at the right time, or at all. The MAC has a unique brand that they stand to lose (or significantly diminish) if they drop out of FBS. And every school’s brand will suffer. That sounds wonderful. Only....why does this terrific product require a subsidy of $5-10 million a year per program? Why does this unique brand have to reach into the pockets of a bunch of uninterested taxpayers and students to support itself?
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 24, 2018 7:55:32 GMT -6
MAC football’s brand includes intimate stadiums, tough kids with chips on their shoulders (many who are good athletes, and some great after 4/5 years of development), and a host of the most prolific NFL hall of farmers in Canton. These things culminate in intrigue on MAC gamedays, and the occasional lightening-in-the-bottle experience (i.e., NIU in the Orange Bowl) or in a household name such as Big Ben. The MAC has earned It’s place in college football, and it does not include a 60K+ stadiums. It is what it is - many schools caught college football’s growth momentum in the early 1900’s. For whatever reasons, the schools that are in the MAC today did not catch / invest at the right time, or at all. The MAC has a unique brand that they stand to lose (or significantly diminish) if they drop out of FBS. And every school’s brand will suffer. That sounds wonderful. Only....why does this terrific product require a subsidy of $5-10 million a year per program? Why does this unique brand have to reach into the pockets of a bunch of uninterested taxpayers and students to support itself? Sounds like a professional sports team. Except it would be more like 50 million a year.
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