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Post by rgmillikan on Oct 23, 2018 18:24:08 GMT -6
I struggle with this one. Anything like last year from January on definitely doesn't qualify as satisfactory. I'd say at least 12 MAC wins and a strong showing appearance in MAC Finals, aka not a blowout loss. I could be more lenient on the Cleveland part with more than 12 MAC wins. At a certain point the bar has to be raised fairly high to get this program beyond simply being an above average MAC team most of the last 3 seasons. If BSU played in the East I'd take win expectation down 1/2.
If BSU made the big dance I dont care if it was a complete fluke that's a good season. Period. Even if they lost by 55 as a 15 seed.
Granted I realize going say 11-7 and losing in the semis is definitely not getting Whitford fired. So no this post isnt alluding to anything of ssurplus he has 3 more yr on his contract. I'm willing to cut Whitford a little slack in a future year if BSU had a very respectable season, if he even stayed in Muncie after such a season.
BTW I'm not "predicting" success I think it could be a yr similar to 16-17. 11 to12 MAC wins and a loss to the first MAC East team they face in Cleveland is my guess but imo thats not 'successful' for year 6.
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Post by DickHunsaker on Oct 23, 2018 18:51:33 GMT -6
Beating ISU, Valpo, IUPUI, and Evansville. Beating one of the following: Purdue, Virginia Tech, or Loyola (chi). Winning the MAC West. Finally making it to the MAC Championship.
Those should be the goals this year and they are attainable ones
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Post by DickHunsaker on Oct 23, 2018 18:52:47 GMT -6
Oh and not laying an egg against Howard, Del State, or Tiffin
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Post by lmills72 on Oct 23, 2018 19:00:52 GMT -6
An NCAA or NIT bid.
That means they either have to 1) Win the MAC Tournament, or 2) Have a strong conference season in addition to playing well enough in the non-conference to build a resume that the NIT would find interesting. Obviously, that would mean beating at least one of the "big" teams on the schedule, while also beating the likes of ISU, Valpo, Loyola, Evansville, etc. (and having those teams go on to have good seasons).
I think we've seen what we'll get with Whitford coached teams, but this should be his best opportunity to rise above that. His best talent, lots of experience and maturity, decent depth. It's all there for him to show he's a better coach than he's shown so far.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 23, 2018 20:09:54 GMT -6
Maybe more chance of sneaking into the NCAA with a MAC Tourney run, than getting to the NIT.
Either would automatically mean a successful season. That's a great season not just a successful one.
Closing strong with a MAC Finals appearance with a top 3 MAC regular season would be a level of success we haven't had for a long time. We'd have a hard time saying that was a failed season even if we want more.
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Post by universityjim on Oct 23, 2018 20:17:00 GMT -6
20+ wins. No March collapse.
A National Championship would be my first choice of tournament results.
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Post by redbirdman on Oct 23, 2018 21:04:47 GMT -6
This is Whitford's baby even more so with 2 first yr assistants. I hope he has learned what we need to do in the last 5 minutes of games. A 20 plus win season & MAC record of at least 12-6 & 2 wins in tourney & a a postseason tournament appearance with at least one win.
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Post by Hoopsmith on Oct 23, 2018 21:59:02 GMT -6
Postseason play*
*- meaning an INVITATIONAL tournament (i.e., one we didn't pay $$ to be a part of)
Preferably NCAA, but NIT second weekend would suffice.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 23, 2018 23:21:06 GMT -6
Ncaa, I am giggling but I love your guys's optimisim.. Lets hope it happens..
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Post by rgmillikan on Oct 24, 2018 3:20:53 GMT -6
Ncaa, I am giggling but I love your guys's optimisim.. Lets hope it happens.. Again this is what should be a minimum expectation of success not a prediction thread. I would guess around least half of the board would predict a season a little beneath the threshold of a true success after the way last year finished. |
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Post by reevo on Oct 24, 2018 7:21:47 GMT -6
I will bite. A top 2 seed in the MAC tournament. 22 and or more regular season in wins. A finals birth in the MAC tournament. Post season tournament that is not a pay to play.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 24, 2018 7:52:32 GMT -6
I will bite. A top 2 seed in the MAC tournament. 22 and or more regular season in wins. A finals birth in the MAC tournament. Post season tournament that is not a pay to play. Beyond NIT and NCAA there is probably no real glory in postseason. But another tournament might be fun, at least for fans and alumni if at a good location, like meaningless bowl game... Depending on how the season ended seniors might like one more shot, and underclassmen usually benefit if the competition is good. Coaches like to play, players are often burnt out.
I think there is one other tournament that fits the teams just below NIT level which would be good competition. If the competition includes some top 100 teams, it might be worth considering. The reasons to play have to be either developmental, which probably would not apply to us so much, or a really good chance to play a couple of strong teams and win the tournament. To me, except for always wanting to play up to potential and play to win if you are playing, it is not big measure of success or failure in the season. |
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Post by thebsukid on Oct 24, 2018 19:11:32 GMT -6
I like and agree with 90% of the comments!
21 or more wins, and upset or two over higher ranked teams. Win the MAC West and an appearance in the MAC finals.
I want the NCAA’s or NIT but if we do the above only we will have moved into the top echelon of MAC teams!
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 24, 2018 19:23:16 GMT -6
Dear Jesus the kid has rubbed off on everyone.. 20 21 22 Ncaa tournament your guys are all on the wacky tobacky
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Post by cardfan on Oct 24, 2018 19:26:12 GMT -6
We’re going undefeated! Then goin’ streaking in the quad!
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