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Post by lmills72 on Nov 21, 2018 19:11:04 GMT -6
I'm not at all looking forward to a QB competition in the spring or fall, at least not if it involves Neal.
C'mon, you know who wins that competition. It's Neal all the way. Because when you just grade things out, he beats Plitt up one side and down the other. And remember, Neal is playing against OUR defense in practice. You don't think he eats them up? Hell, he probably does look like an NFL QB against them.
But those grades don't consider the intangibles, which is where Plitt appears to have a significant advantage. And those practices don't likely include those tight windows you have to throw through in games, which Neal seems reluctant to do while Plitt doesn't seem to mind the challenge (and sometimes gets burned).
So then you have to rely on the coaches to make a ballsy choice and choose the intangibles. They ignored that this year and I wouldn't expect them to consider it heavily next year.
Of course, either QB will look significantly better if the defense is improved, but personally I think it might help Plitt more. As Rob said, harder to instill aggressiveness in Neal than to teach caution to Plitt. But if the defense can actually hold an opposing offense in check, maybe Plitt doesn't feel the need to take so many risks.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 21, 2018 19:25:21 GMT -6
Spring will tell whether either QB can change, improve.
I am not prepared to blame Neal for all the dysfunction on the team, offensively or defensively.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 21, 2018 19:36:40 GMT -6
I agree I do not think the fight will ever be fair. There will be pressure from the hometown donors to keep riley out there. Whats different is this will be for the staffs life. I just hope they choose which ever qb gives us the best shot
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Post by lmills72 on Nov 21, 2018 20:00:45 GMT -6
Riley played 6 more games has a better passing eff and 11/4 TD to INT while Plitt is 6/8 and not setting the world on fire. But, Plitt did get a big win. Actually, Plitt has a significantly higher passing efficiency rating than Neal, and if you just consider his rating in just the 3 games he started the gap gets bigger.
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Post by lmills72 on Nov 21, 2018 20:04:02 GMT -6
Spring will tell whether either QB can change, improve. I am not prepared to blame Neal for all the dysfunction on the team, offensively or defensively. No, but I am prepared to blame the coaching staff for starting the wrong QB the first 9 games of the season.
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Post by bsutony on Nov 21, 2018 20:08:55 GMT -6
What about the true freshman coming in? Does he have a shot?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 21, 2018 20:25:47 GMT -6
He was awesome in High school this year but you never know
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Post by cardfan on Nov 21, 2018 22:45:40 GMT -6
Schott is good but he throws a lot of picks. Just don’t think he’d be ready to start as a freshman.
I think Riley and Plitt are what they are gonna be. Plitt could become more disciplined but Riley is what Riley is. Don’t see a big leap left for him. But like Rob says, there is local pressure to play Riley.
Paddock is the wildcard.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 21, 2018 23:36:59 GMT -6
Its going to be Rileys job unless plitt just blows Riley out this spring
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Post by lmills72 on Nov 21, 2018 23:42:03 GMT -6
The thing is I'm not even sure it's in Riley's best interest to stay around another year if the grad transfer is an option for him.
Seems like most players want to believe it's all about their talent, but what it's really all about is getting the right coaching and playing in the right scheme for them.
Maybe Ball State doesn't really provide that for Neal. Maybe he would be better off shopping his services to another program, even an FCS program, where he might be a better fit ... because there's really nothing to indicate that Ball State has been a really good fit for him.
Maybe in a different program, with a different coach, he could become the QB we thought he might be, but I'm doubting he'll become that in one more year at BSU.
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Post by lmills72 on Nov 21, 2018 23:52:05 GMT -6
But like Rob says, there is local pressure to play Riley. I have to ask: Local pressure in what form? Donations? Hell, we've already got our hand deep into the taxpayer cookie jar. What's the big deal if we have to make up a few more million if a donor pulls out? Ticket sales? Yeah right. Gee, if only there were local pressure to win.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 22, 2018 0:44:06 GMT -6
The thing is I'm not even sure it's in Riley's best interest to stay around another year if the grad transfer is an option for him. Seems like most players want to believe it's all about their talent, but what it's really all about is getting the right coaching and playing in the right scheme for them. Maybe Ball State doesn't really provide that for Neal. Maybe he would be better off shopping his services to another program, even an FCS program, where he might be a better fit ... because there's really nothing to indicate that Ball State has been a really good fit for him. Maybe in a different program, with a different coach, he could become the QB we thought he might be, but I'm doubting he'll become that in one more year at BSU. Your exactly right
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 22, 2018 0:57:54 GMT -6
But like Rob says, there is local pressure to play Riley. I have to ask: Local pressure in what form? Donations? Hell, we've already got our hand deep into the taxpayer cookie jar. What's the big deal if we have to make up a few more million if a donor pulls out? Ticket sales? Yeah right. Gee, if only there were local pressure to win. Its always about money and the local pressure comes from various donors. I am not at all saying that would keep Neu from playing Pitt if he outperformed Riley but if its close the edge will always go to where the money is
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Post by BSUMike on Nov 22, 2018 5:41:07 GMT -6
I know that nobody on this board likes him, but I honestly think that Neal gives us a better shot at winning than Plitt. That’s just my personal opinion. That said, I’m hopeful that Paddock surpasses both guys and becomes our starter next year. Plitt is a great backup QB!
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Post by cardfan on Nov 22, 2018 8:16:23 GMT -6
We all like Riley. He’s a great representative of BSU and a very talented player. He simply hasn’t gotten results in terms of wins. The offense struggles often with him. Plitt is not nearly as good a qb but seems to provide a spark that Neal doesn’t. But I too hope Paddock becomes the guy. Have heard good things about him.
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