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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 12:19:09 GMT -6
I'm for trying to emulate Butler... Butler is FCS. Butler is D1-FCS (non-scholarship) in football. They participate in the Pioneer Football League where all participants elect not to offer scholarship money, and all members, except Morehead State, are private institutions. Not quality football, whatsoever.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 27, 2018 16:54:15 GMT -6
But if true, an indoor facility doesn't count nearly enough in a world where MAC football as FBS cannot survive long term. Indoor facilities are a fact of life, not only in D1-FBS sports, but D1-FCS sports, and now beginning to become a practical necessity at the D-II level to allow ALL SPORTS to avoid inclement weather. The justification for all sports is the best argument. But FB is the driving force in financing these facilities, and we would not prioritize it if it were not for MAC FB. How many FCS schools can do so? That is our true comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 11:00:15 GMT -6
Indoor facilities are a fact of life, not only in D1-FBS sports, but D1-FCS sports, and now beginning to become a practical necessity at the D-II level to allow ALL SPORTS to avoid inclement weather. The justification for all sports is the best argument. But FB is the driving force in financing these facilities, and we would not prioritize it if it were not for MAC FB. How many FCS schools can do so? That is our true comparison.
I guess you missed my post over in another thread: overthepylon.boards.net/post/66928/threadYou ask how many FCS schools can do so? Apparently alot. I researched the MVC (MVFC for football) in the example. By the early 2020's, over 75% of the schools in the MVFC will have an indoor facility. I didn't illustrate other FCS conferences, but it is expected now. Even DII schools are building them.
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Post by CallingBS on Dec 28, 2018 12:43:13 GMT -6
Indeed. I apologize for making the point in an asshole way, but records usually look better when you don't count the losses.
We always say 12-0 but it was 12-2. With the two that really mattered being in the wrong column.
And it was 10 years ago.
Sorry, I have repressed the MAC Championship game and sitting in the rain in Mobile. Even with the two losses that season was infinitely better than anything we have seen in Men's basketball since 2000. 18 years ago. The only season that Men's basketball has completed that was comparable to it on a national scale is the 89-90 Sweet Sixteen run. 28 years ago. Does anyone here seriously believe winning an FCS National Championship would bring BSU as much national attention as that 12-0 regular season? Some of you probably can, but I can't tell you who won the FCS National Championship last year. Dropping to FCS would not save a significant amount of money. Anyone who believes we spend the money we do on athletics in an attempt to win championships is misguided. One significant hole in this logic: the MAC front office's and BSU leadership's obsession with football was the primary reason for the demise of our basketball program. It is significantly easier and more realistic for us to have a solid MBB program than football. I don't propose dropping to FCS. The economic reality is that we need to completely drop football. It will be forced on us at some point anyway, so why not get ahead on the decision and save programs that we can truly compete in?
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Post by universityjim on Dec 28, 2018 15:02:45 GMT -6
Sorry, I have repressed the MAC Championship game and sitting in the rain in Mobile. Even with the two losses that season was infinitely better than anything we have seen in Men's basketball since 2000. 18 years ago. The only season that Men's basketball has completed that was comparable to it on a national scale is the 89-90 Sweet Sixteen run. 28 years ago. Does anyone here seriously believe winning an FCS National Championship would bring BSU as much national attention as that 12-0 regular season? Some of you probably can, but I can't tell you who won the FCS National Championship last year. Dropping to FCS would not save a significant amount of money. Anyone who believes we spend the money we do on athletics in an attempt to win championships is misguided. One significant hole in this logic: the MAC front office's and BSU leadership's obsession with football was the primary reason for the demise of our basketball program. It is significantly easier and more realistic for us to have a solid MBB program than football. I don't propose dropping to FCS. The economic reality is that we need to completely drop football. It will be forced on us at some point anyway, so why not get ahead on the decision and save programs that we can truly compete in? That is a more logical solution than dropping to FCS. Dropping to FCS achieves nothing but theoretically putting us in better position to win a class championship and brings us no exposure for the marketing dollars we put into it. Losing the stigma of being a FBS school I'm not convinced we could recruit players to be in a position to compete for an FCS championship. FCS non scholarship (which Butler plays) would be the only acceptable FCS solution. Drop that low and you might as well ax the whole thing.
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Post by cardfan on Dec 28, 2018 15:13:03 GMT -6
Except it seems we’ve been recruiting a lot of FCS level players already. Definitely did in the Lembo years. Neu has gotten a little bit higher quality recruit in many cases, but then they can’t seem to get on the field.....
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