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Post by sweep on Dec 31, 2018 9:13:22 GMT -6
12-6 and the 3 seed.
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Post by bsu0 on Dec 31, 2018 9:36:46 GMT -6
''Dream Season'' 25-7 and get beat in the MAC Tournament? How much lower can our expectations go? We should be in the hunt every three or four years for a NCAA or NIT bid at a minimum.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 31, 2018 10:00:40 GMT -6
''Dream Season'' 25-7 and get beat in the MAC Tournament? How much lower can our expectations go? We should be in the hunt every three or four years for a NCAA or NIT bid at a minimum. I believe 25-7 and reaching the MAC Final is being in the hunt. This year with Buffalo playing very well it would be hard to predict a MAC Championship. We have had a number of years in the MAC since 2004 where this team would be the favorite in the MAC.
UB is pretty good by any MAC standard, probably right up there with the historic best BSU teams. I am not sure we can ever say we "should be" a top 30 team every few years. We may want it, of course. We are fans and unreasonable by definition.
We've come a long toward what we do want getting a team in the top 100 this year. That puts in territory we haven't seen in a long time, and would be better than some of the teams we remember as quite acceptable teams from our best 15 year stretch.
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Post by thebsukid on Dec 31, 2018 10:50:41 GMT -6
Rob...it the seats...changes your perspective 😀
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Post by rgmillikan on Dec 31, 2018 10:52:51 GMT -6
''Dream Season'' 25-7 and get beat in the MAC Tournament? How much lower can our expectations go? We should be in the hunt every three or four years for a NCAA or NIT bid at a minimum. If BSU only lost 3 more conference games(unlikely) and the MAC tourney loss was in finals to Buffalo I'd say that qualifies as a really good season given buffalo is an ncaa at large caliber team.
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Post by proctorp on Dec 31, 2018 10:58:08 GMT -6
I think we could be the West champion IF we had a consistent #5. I just do not think we are strong enough inside. IMO we have regressed at that position.
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Post by sweep on Dec 31, 2018 12:16:18 GMT -6
''Dream Season'' 25-7 and get beat in the MAC Tournament? How much lower can our expectations go? We should be in the hunt every three or four years for a NCAA or NIT bid at a minimum. If BSU only lost 3 more conference games(unlikely) and the MAC tourney loss was in finals to Buffalo I'd say that qualifies as a really good season given buffalo is an ncaa at large caliber team. You need to get to the post season to qualify as a really good year.
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Post by cardfan on Dec 31, 2018 12:33:46 GMT -6
We can’t keep accepting nice regular seasons with no meaningful post season. Post season is where coaches earn their names.
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Post by sweep on Dec 31, 2018 12:41:40 GMT -6
We can’t keep accepting nice regular seasons with no meaningful post season. Post season is where coaches earn their names. I am officially starting a James Whitford to UCLA rumor.
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Post by bsu0 on Dec 31, 2018 12:42:23 GMT -6
I maintain the position given ALL things considered (FACILITIES, ACADEMICS, LOCALE, CONFERENCE AFFILIATION, I could go on but will not) Ball State University's expectations should be much higher than this pitiful level that we at now. At one time (not long ago) the MAC was a great Mid-Major conference, and BSU was a player. At the present, the conference is terrible and for us not to be in the hunt is worse. If we can't sign two or three legit D-1 players per year we need to look VERY CLOSELY WHY. Ball State has a lot going for itself and so should the basketball program. We should look long and hard why we have not been better in the last TWENTY YEARS. If the Einsteins on the BOT and the Athletic Department can't figure it out, tell them to contact a few on this site and I am sure they could get acceptable answer.
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Post by sweep on Dec 31, 2018 12:48:01 GMT -6
why we have not been better in the last TWENTY YEARS. If the Einsteins on the BOT and the Athletic Department can't figure it out, tell them to contact a few on this site and I am sure they could get acceptable answer. A lot of it has to do with ten years of Jo Ann Gora and her AD by Proxy Roy Budd.
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Post by david75bsu on Dec 31, 2018 12:55:18 GMT -6
I maintain the position given ALL things considered (FACILITIES, ACADEMICS, LOCALE, CONFERENCE AFFILIATION, I could go on but will not) Ball State University's expectations should be much higher than this pitiful level that we at now. At one time (not long ago) the MAC was a great Mid-Major conference, and BSU was a player. At the present, the conference is terrible and for us not to be in the hunt is worse. If we can't sign two or three legit D-1 players per year we need to look VERY CLOSELY WHY. Ball State has a lot going for itself and so should the basketball program. We should look long and hard why we have not been better in the last TWENTY YEARS. If the Einsteins on the BOT and the Athletic Department can't figure it out, tell them to contact a few on this site and I am sure they could get acceptable answer. If you look at the past four years, include the transfers, we have recruited 2-3 legit D-1 players. If there is a flaw, it is that we have not been successful a getting a strong BIG to compliment the other recruits. If we had, we would easily challenge Buffalo this year. However, we are much better this year than almost any team this Century. If Whit can continue with his good recruiting and land a BIG or two - look out, we could really be a very good team.
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Post by sweep on Dec 31, 2018 12:57:51 GMT -6
I maintain the position given ALL things considered (FACILITIES, ACADEMICS, LOCALE, CONFERENCE AFFILIATION, I could go on but will not) Ball State University's expectations should be much higher than this pitiful level that we at now. At one time (not long ago) the MAC was a great Mid-Major conference, and BSU was a player. At the present, the conference is terrible and for us not to be in the hunt is worse. If we can't sign two or three legit D-1 players per year we need to look VERY CLOSELY WHY. Ball State has a lot going for itself and so should the basketball program. We should look long and hard why we have not been better in the last TWENTY YEARS. If the Einsteins on the BOT and the Athletic Department can't figure it out, tell them to contact a few on this site and I am sure they could get acceptable answer. If you look at the past four years, include the transfers, we have recruited 2-3 legit D-1 players. I wouldn't be bragging about that.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 31, 2018 13:28:08 GMT -6
We can’t keep accepting nice regular seasons with no meaningful post season. Post season is where coaches earn their names. Best chance in most years is a MAC tourney win. But when Buffalo plays this well, it's going to be tough.
Continuing to improve and getting into the top 60 or 70 opens up the chance of an NIT bid. Having the MAC improve overall helps that,so this year looks like it may have some plus even if it makes it harder for us to win the Championship, which it does. Our SOS improves and MAC wins on the road look a lot better. But we are long way off from getting 2 or 3 teams
Playing in a post season event other than the NIT can only be a really good thing if it is part of the climb to that level. Can't make that a goal, I would agree.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 31, 2018 13:45:50 GMT -6
If you look at the past four years, include the transfers, we have recruited 2-3 legit D-1 players. I wouldn't be bragging about that. david is simply wrong in saying 2 or 3 legit D-1 players, unless he means by "legit D-1" players capable of regularly starting and playing at the top 1/2 of power conference schools.
D1 is 300+ frigging schools and I assume he thinks a large number are not "legit" including MAC schools, since we have a roster that has been competitive in D1 MAC competition each year in the last 4. Several playing after college overseas. I consider MAC and other conferences in the top 15 of 30 D1 conferences to be legit.
It begs the question to criticize MAC coaches for not recruiting B10 players. Top MAC players are legit D1. Starters in the MAC are usually good enough players to be on most D1 teams if not starters on top teams, they are good.
The 2-3 players is also probably exaggeration. It is arguable we have 3 or 4 players on THIS team who are good enough to be recruited at the lower level power conference schools. 2 transfers who were recruited there for example. Plus Teague, plus Persons. And, we do not know yet about Acree, Thomas.
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