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Post by journalismjoe76 on Jan 31, 2019 15:22:25 GMT -6
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Post by cardfan on Jan 31, 2019 15:29:34 GMT -6
Very interesting. Not horrible ideas. The Mac is bleeding badly and the joke of a tv contract isn’t doing much to help us. Maction isn’t as good as it was a few years ago and interest keeps dropping.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 15:31:28 GMT -6
Bowling Green's attendance avg. was over 15,000? 11 of 12 MAC schools were mentioned as being below 15,000.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 15:38:03 GMT -6
Why would Toledo and UB remain MAC football schools? UB recently became good. Akron is all over the place.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 31, 2019 15:46:22 GMT -6
Maybe the perennially good Mac teams could find a few other schools in the same boat and form their own football league. They most likely aren’t going to get invited to a better conference.
I think every Mac school has fancied itself moving to a better conference for football at some point. Hell, in the 70’s there was even talk of bsu replacing northwestern in the big 10. (I don’t think it was big 10 ppl doing the talking).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 15:59:19 GMT -6
The MAC is mis-managed or strategically ignore this because they are the only ones guaranteed a positive cash flow from this whole charade.
Hard to imagine smarter people than me don’t realize this.
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Post by calpoly on Jan 31, 2019 16:40:46 GMT -6
Moving to the Missouri Valley would increase travel expense, plus (probably) lose out on many of the big $$ games...
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Post by cardcat on Jan 31, 2019 20:17:46 GMT -6
I hate all this Debbie Downer gloom and doom. ALL athletics at BSU's level are an expense -AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. I like going to Oklahoma for a BSU game and scaring the stuffing out of their fans right up to halftime. I like going to South Bend and being the story of the week, taking Notre Dame's money and their glory (well almost). I love it when people I work with in Israel and Colombia ask me "You went to Ball State right? Wow you guys are pretty good." I love smashing IU in Bloomington (twice in my time), hearing "WE ARE....BALL STATE" rolling through their stadium. I loved asking my investor Virginia Grad (and backup VA QB) if he knows who won the BSU vs VA game last weekend. We seemed to be on death's doorstep before that great run with Hoke/Davis. No one expected it, now one saw it coming. We were in a much worse place then than we are now. Despite a bad football season this year, W-L, attendance, whatever.... tell me what else will raise BSU's national profile this academic year as much as that ND game did? The national media loves to sell this self loathing and doubt shit. This narrative is a sickness generated by wanna' be elitists (and their groupies) to keep all the little fatties away from the money.
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Post by DickHunsaker on Jan 31, 2019 21:04:05 GMT -6
I hate all this Debbie Downer gloom and doom. ALL athletics at BSU's level are an expense -AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. I like going to Oklahoma for a BSU game and scaring the stuffing out of their fans right up to halftime. I like going to South Bend and being the story of the week, taking Notre Dame's money and their glory (well almost). I love it when people I work with in Israel and Colombia ask me "You went to Ball State right? Wow you guys are pretty good." I love smashing IU in Bloomington (twice in my time), hearing "WE ARE....BALL STATE" rolling through their stadium. I loved asking my investor Virginia Grad (and backup VA QB) if he knows who won the BSU vs VA game last weekend. We seemed to be on death's doorstep before that great run with Hoke/Davis. No one expected it, now one saw it coming. We were in a much worse place then than we are now. Despite a bad football season this year, W-L, attendance, whatever.... tell me what else will raise BSU's national profile this academic year as much as that ND game did? The national media loves to sell this self loathing and doubt shit. This narrative is a sickness generated by wanna' be elitists (and their groupies) to keep all the little fatties away from the money. I agree. We go up and down. Always been that way. Judging by history we should be on an upswing again. I love Ball State football and you think attendance is bad now, drop it to FCS and watch. We have to keep BSU FBS
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 31, 2019 21:07:25 GMT -6
I can't see attendance changing much.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 31, 2019 21:16:24 GMT -6
What’s more attractive, an occasional meh 6-6 to 8-4 bowl team losing a meh bowl to a meh team, or a team maybe making the FCS playoffs fairly often with a chance at a run to a national championship? Attendance can’t get any worse than it already is and we are hemorrhaging money bad. Budgets throughout the athletic department are getting cut or remain stagnant. I love college football and never want it completely dropped but our path and the MAC’s path is not sustainable. Only a handful of Mac schools have the stomach and the desire to truly compete in football. The rest of us ate hanging in by a thread and have to prostitute ourselves vs power 5 schools for the paycheck.
I’d rather see the entire athletic department have a chance rather than continually lying to ourselves about football and it draining us to the point of having to do something drastic.
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Post by grass on Jan 31, 2019 21:23:55 GMT -6
It would be interesting to see a financial model comparison over 5-10 years (FBS v. FCS), including marketing revenue adjustments and costs (from ESPN, being an FBS program, etc. -- on both athletics and BSU). Also, what impact would a drop have on other sports? How would a drop impact alumni donations? Although I love some FCS football (like NDSU's and Montana's programs, as well as the Ivy League), I think the long term impacts to Ball State would be awful.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 31, 2019 21:35:28 GMT -6
It’s hard to truly know what would happen, but I think certainly there would be a serious negative impact initially. I don’t necessarily advocate it but we need to be ready for some kind of change as the financial strain of keeping fbs football gets heavier and heavier. Unless the Mac somehow obtains a far better tv contract, which won’t happen.
So basically if we drop down we’d have people crying over a program they don’t even pay to go watch anymore, especially with games being on weeknights, and really didn’t even come out in huge numbers for Lembos bowl team seasons. We sold out for tv and it’s destroyed attendance league wide. Wasn’t great to begin with. Are the returns worth it? Anymore people find excuses NOT to go to games rather than attend. The bsu fan base aged and the younger alumni aren’t making up the difference. The community has changed and we don’t get many from there anymore either.
It’s kinda like the, if a tree falls and no one is there to hear it, does it make a noise?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 31, 2019 21:38:50 GMT -6
I will not talk about this if I ignore it it will go away...
Carry on
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Post by cardfan on Jan 31, 2019 21:48:03 GMT -6
I will not talk about this if I ignore it it will go away... Carry on A wise policy.
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