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Post by rgmillikan on Feb 2, 2019 15:15:41 GMT -6
Turnovers lost this, period. Kent St had roughly 13 more possessions in regulation. If thats cut to 6 more possessions BSU wins in regulation. The inability to win games at home in the MAC against anyone not named Buffalo with a heavily upperclass roster is mindboggling.
Whitford should send a thank you note as well as a check for 100k to Mark Sandy because his contract length is his only life preserver the way 2019 is going. Even getting to the MAC quarterfinals in cleveland could be a question mark at this point.
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Post by CallingBS on Feb 2, 2019 15:16:16 GMT -6
I do not know if you guys can see this on TV but Persons is literally coaching this team. Calling time out getting every one lined up. Telling whit who to sub. Whitford blank constipated stares.. Thats it Nothing new, and a huge reason for our problems!
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 2, 2019 15:19:33 GMT -6
Yeah, I get the cliche that you can only "control what you control", but you just indicated that BSU made too many controllable mistakes. Basketball is a game that doesn't tolerate mistakes, it's also a game of "runs", and it's a game of breaks. You leverage a break that is provided to you. Kent State having an inexcusable charge and a travel are their mistakes, should've been called, and would've provided the breaks a struggling team like BSU needs to secure the win. MAC refs need to do their jobs. Their controllable mistakes are costing a team a win. This time, it was us. We aren't close to being a solid team and next season is going to be a lot worse. I don't think we'll be good next game. We were a good team for half this season, and have a good chance to be better than we are now in 2 weeks. Next year? It's pretty hard to say, that team will not have some of the weaknesses this one does. Too many things we won't know until we see some players in games, see how the staff changes our play with different strengths.
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Post by sweep on Feb 2, 2019 15:21:56 GMT -6
We aren't close to being a solid team and next season is going to be a lot worse. Too many things we won't know until we see some players in games, see how the staff changes our play with different strengths. Yeah because if we know one thing about Whitford he is all about playing to our strengths.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 2, 2019 15:23:39 GMT -6
Get used to really bad basketball because there is no way Teague is coming back for his fifth year. Spoke with a relative of his here for the game, who disagrees. Maybe they're just smart.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 2, 2019 15:25:22 GMT -6
couple things.. We played bad but the refs were horrible. The crowd was raucous and all were as pissed as I have ever seen them. First time ive ever seen whit screaming at a ref. Grunk had to be held back by guys in the center of the court well after the final. There was some fire shown but it was too late. The turnovers again killed us
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 2, 2019 15:26:51 GMT -6
Turnovers lost this, period. Kent St had roughly 13 more possessions in regulation. If thats cut to 6 more possessions BSU wins in regulation. The inability to win games at home in the MAC against anyone not named Buffalo with a heavily upperclass roster is mindboggling. Nobody can argue that turnovers made the difference in the game. You think maybe having some key people on that roster benched by injury had just a little to do with that?
To me the loss was painful but not mind boggling given the circumstances. I was there and suffered but was also proud of our players effort.
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Post by lmills72 on Feb 2, 2019 15:26:54 GMT -6
Get used to really bad basketball because there is no way Teague is coming back for his fifth year. Spoke with a relative of his here for the game, who disagrees. I'd probably be a little more surprised if he left, not so surprised if he stayed. I think players like Teague and Persons like it as BSU because, as has been said, Whitford lets them be themselves. Would they be better off elsewhere, be better basketball players with a different coach? I think they certainly could be. But they don't/didn't really want that. That's why they're at BSU ... because Whit lets them be themselves. Winning and losing? Less important.
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Post by Hoopsmith on Feb 2, 2019 15:27:33 GMT -6
The inability to win games at home in the MAC against anyone not named Buffalo with a heavily upperclass roster is mindboggling. I understand your point, except Buffalo has also dismantled us the last two times they've played in Muncie, and it was a statement ass-kicking BSU took both times.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 2, 2019 15:32:02 GMT -6
I hate ugly games too. Huggiins looked like a freshman, I am a little more optimistic about his future.
He isn't a Freshman, he has been with this team almost two full seasons. He isn't suddenly going to develop into a good ballplayer. This is another example of horrible roster management. You're sure, pretty hard to predict big man development? Some here have predicted he would never be better than he has shown this year. That doesn't seem likely to me. How good I have no idea, but he will be better than we have seen. He didn't lose this game.
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Post by rgmillikan on Feb 2, 2019 15:34:01 GMT -6
The inability to win games at home in the MAC against anyone not named Buffalo with a heavily upperclass roster is mindboggling. I understand your point, except Buffalo has also dismantled us the last two times they've played in Muncie, and it was a statement ass-kicking BSU took both times. I maybe should rephrase. Losing to buffalo at home would be understandable. Losing to the 4 MAC teams they actually have this year at Worthen isnt.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 15:34:58 GMT -6
Dumping Whitford now would cost a 3-year contract buyout. No way the University does that. After next season a 2-year buy-out might be doable and certainly a 1-year buyout the following year would be highly likely, as a lack of extension then would derail any recruiting of players who could clearly see their new coach wasn't going to be around more than their freshman year. Can we take away Sandy’s pension and apply to rectify his biggest mistake?
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Post by sweep on Feb 2, 2019 15:35:33 GMT -6
Turnovers lost this, period. Kent St had roughly 13 more possessions in regulation. If thats cut to 6 more possessions BSU wins in regulation. The inability to win games at home in the MAC against anyone not named Buffalo with a heavily upperclass roster is mindboggling. Nobody can argue that turnovers made the difference in the game. You think maybe having some key people on that roster benched by injury had just a little to do with that?
Persons, Mallers, and Walton had 14 turnovers between the three of them. We are averaging 16 turnovers a game in conference, so it's not like 20 is some aberrant number. Give it a rest, the injuries didn't have anything to do with it.
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Post by sweep on Feb 2, 2019 15:38:34 GMT -6
Spoke with a relative of his here for the game, who disagrees. I'd probably be a little more surprised if he left, not so surprised if he stayed. I think players like Teague and Persons like it as BSU because, as has been said, Whitford lets them be themselves. Would they be better off elsewhere, be better basketball players with a different coach? I think they certainly could be. But they don't/didn't really want that. That's why they're at BSU ... because Whit lets them be themselves. Winning and losing? Less important. It's a different situation though, I don't think Persons had a better alternative. Teague will garner more interest, and needs to find a place to better showcase his skill set if he intends to make some real money playing in Europe.
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Post by rgmillikan on Feb 2, 2019 15:41:28 GMT -6
Turnovers lost this, period. Kent St had roughly 13 more possessions in regulation. If thats cut to 6 more possessions BSU wins in regulation. The inability to win games at home in the MAC against anyone not named Buffalo with a heavily upperclass roster is mindboggling. Nobody can argue that turnovers made the difference in the game. You think maybe having some key people on that roster benched by injury had just a little to do with that?
To me the loss was painful but not mind boggling given the circumstances. I was there and suffered but was also proud of our players effort. Of course if Ish,Hazen, and Moses play they probably turn it over less than 20 times and ultimately win but no one cares about what ifs . They're now 0-4 in the MAC at home and could fall to 2-8 in MAC next tue and this is YEAR 6. The same year Buckley and Taylor were canned in just after the season. This isn't a rebuilding season where 2-8/3-7 is a tolerable start.
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