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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 13, 2019 20:42:43 GMT -6
Ive have been a supporter of Neu all along and I want nothing more for him to succeed but if you cant get too 6 wins by year four. I do not know how you extend him. If you dont extend him no decent recruit is going to come near us. So then if year 5 bombs again you leave the next coach in the same spot Neu was when he got here. Its always better to cut a coach a year early and let the next coach win with his seniors than it is too keep a coach a year too long. Its not a personal thing its all about winning. Lembo won with parrish's players then when it came down to his guys it was over. Lembo left Neu with nothing and it might cost Mike his job because the roster was that bad.
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Post by lmills72 on Feb 13, 2019 22:34:10 GMT -6
I guess this will put me in the camp of any Neu apologists out there, but I would look at more than wins and losses when deciding his fate. And for part of his evaluation, I wouldn't even look at his team ... I'd look at Vanderbilt.
Neu wouldn't be the first coach who got fired because of a quarterback, and I'm interested to see what Neal does for Vandy. Does he start? Does he play well? Obviously, the competition is going to be tougher so I'm not talking about him winning games, but does he look like a different player than he was at BSU or the same? Does he even get on the field?
If Neal has success, that has to become a mark against Neu. If he doesn't play much or plays and looks much like the same player, I don't necessarily count that in Neu's favor but at least I can rationalize that maybe the problem was as much Neal as it has been Neu ...
But only if Neu chooses wisely in this year's QB and the offense begins to look more dynamic. I do think there were positive signs with Plitt under center last year and whether it's Plitt, Paddock or the freshman, the offense has to show promise.
The other thing I want to see is some of these younger recruits getting on the field, both on offense and defense. Show me the recruiting is paying dividends.
Finally, we just have to be more competitive. More wins sure, but even if we don't get to 6, are we at least in every game? Does the team play hard every game?
If we're seeing those things, give him a short extension. If not, cut him loose.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 7:54:04 GMT -6
I guess the program better be an overachiever this year.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Feb 14, 2019 7:59:30 GMT -6
Hey, that’s the beauty of being a fan. Always should be optimistic until reality sets in (ok, not in this group). Aka, being a Cubs fan over the years. Looking forward to next season for sure. Go Cards! I don't know about that. Last year I thought our only win would be CCSU. So last year was a pleasant surprise for me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 8:32:24 GMT -6
Hey, that’s the beauty of being a fan. Always should be optimistic until reality sets in (ok, not in this group). Aka, being a Cubs fan over the years. Looking forward to next season for sure. Go Cards! I don't know about that. Last year I thought our only win would be CCSU. So last year was a pleasant surprise for me. Gotta like a guy who blows up the phrase "Glass half empty, glass half full". JSE is optimistic with just a few sips in the glass.
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Post by bsu0 on Feb 14, 2019 9:48:30 GMT -6
Neu would not be the first coach that got fired because of the lack of a QB. Hoke had a lot of problems at Michigan but a large part of his lack of success was trying to find a QB. He never really had one. He did have the guy who didn't tie his shoe laces but he was a running back who happened to take the ball from the center. I constantly read from multiple sources that Neal was the real deal. I never saw it. I saw a kid that tried hard but couldn't hit a pass over 20 yards consistently, did not seem to be a team leader, and ran a bit too much (IMHO). The AD HAS to make a decision the day after the season is over next year if not sooner. BSU either extends him four years or fires him. A short extension would be a terrible decision. The recruiters would chew him apart asking the question,''Why only a two year deal? Kid he will be gone after he losses a couple more games? Come to our place with an indoor field.''
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 9:59:12 GMT -6
If Neal turns out to be the “real deal”, then there are not sufficient words to describe our coaching staff’s performance.
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Post by bsu0 on Feb 14, 2019 10:04:02 GMT -6
I truly hopes he knocks 'em dead in Nashville but if he does he might knock me dead.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 14, 2019 10:48:19 GMT -6
If Neal turns out to be the “real deal”, then there are not sufficient words to describe our coaching staff’s performance. The only other side of that is maybe vandy surrounds him with better players. Id agree though if riley becomes nfl riley its going to be a bad look
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Post by cardfan on Feb 14, 2019 11:01:54 GMT -6
If Neal turns out to be the “real deal”, then there are not sufficient words to describe our coaching staff’s performance. The only other side of that is maybe vandy surrounds him with better players. Id agree though if riley becomes nfl riley its going to be a bad look I think the talent around him will make a big difference. Especially oline and WRs. But he still has to read defenses and make the throws.
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Post by lmills72 on Feb 14, 2019 19:30:19 GMT -6
BSU either extends him four years or fires him. A short extension would be a terrible decision. The recruiters would chew him apart asking the question,''Why only a two year deal? Kid he will be gone after he losses a couple more games? Come to our place with an indoor field.'' You're probably right about the length of the extension and how that would play in recruiting, but a four-year extension just would kill me unless we show miraculous improvement. If we show mild to moderate improvement and the choice is a 4-year extension or fire him, I'd almost say fire him now. I wish there was a in-between length that would work because the thought of an additional four years with a lot of question marks is just a little scary.
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Post by lmills72 on Feb 14, 2019 19:36:17 GMT -6
If Neal turns out to be the “real deal”, then there are not sufficient words to describe our coaching staff’s performance. The only other side of that is maybe vandy surrounds him with better players. Id agree though if riley becomes nfl riley its going to be a bad look I guess the only way it ends happily for everybody is if Neal plays well and gets drafted and the Cardinals somehow win 6 or more games and Neu gets extended. There'd always be questions about why Neal couldn't do it at BSU, but I'd go for that ending.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 14, 2019 20:43:41 GMT -6
The only other side of that is maybe vandy surrounds him with better players. Id agree though if riley becomes nfl riley its going to be a bad look I guess the only way it ends happily for everybody is if Neal plays well and gets drafted and the Cardinals somehow win 6 or more games and Neu gets extended. There'd always be questions about why Neal couldn't do it at BSU, but I'd go for that ending. Make this happen
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 15, 2019 6:59:03 GMT -6
BSU either extends him four years or fires him. A short extension would be a terrible decision. The recruiters would chew him apart asking the question,''Why only a two year deal? Kid he will be gone after he losses a couple more games? Come to our place with an indoor field.'' You're probably right about the length of the extension and how that would play in recruiting, but a four-year extension just would kill me unless we show miraculous improvement. If we show mild to moderate improvement and the choice is a 4-year extension or fire him, I'd almost say fire him now. I wish there was a in-between length that would work because the thought of an additional four years with a lot of question marks is just a little scary. You expect BSU football without scary question marks? Is that possible?
The heady enthusiasm surrounding a new coach just puts that off for a year or so, then back to normal.
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Post by universityjim on Feb 15, 2019 7:36:12 GMT -6
The only other side of that is maybe vandy surrounds him with better players. Id agree though if riley becomes nfl riley its going to be a bad look I think the talent around him will make a big difference. Especially oline and WRs. But he still has to read defenses and make the throws. It's a lot easier to read defenses when you aren't running for your life every play. Our choice of new Oline coach might save or finish Mike Neu at Ball State.
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