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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 26, 2019 21:40:16 GMT -6
I hope you all make note that there are no shortcomings currently being demonstrated by Whitford in year 6 that weren't evident after his first three or four years here. Just the same as with Buckley and Taylor. You CAN tell if a person is good in his job in three years. Probably the most aggravating aspect of our two decades of program failure is the ridiculous number of years wasted in clinging to weak coaches.
Will this lesson be learned? Doubtful. If it wasn't learned after two painful examples, why would a third example make the difference?
We have a significant element of the fanbase that is given, for God knows what reason, to tolerate and make endless excuses for weak coaches. This gives just the cover needed for the administration, which is disinclined to make a coaching change because it involves admitting a mistake, and involves a lot of work and bother.
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Post by ballman on Feb 26, 2019 21:41:30 GMT -6
I'd take Taylor in a heartbeat. This says a lot about the state of basketball at BSU.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 26, 2019 21:42:06 GMT -6
Not alot left to say just the same ole same ole.
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Post by bsutrack on Feb 26, 2019 22:11:57 GMT -6
52% FG, 43% 3FG, Lose at home. 21 turnovers, 21 empty possessions where they didn't get off an attempt even if they were hitting 52%.
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Post by realitycheck on Feb 26, 2019 22:59:20 GMT -6
Beyond his overall record of mediocre results, the thing that probably was most frustrating about Billy Taylor was his unwillingness to get in players faces and challenge them. His most redeeming quality was his character and good nature. He was truly a gentleman and nice man. Quiet but very personable and engaging.
We we have much the same with Whitford. Mediocre results, player regression, stagnant offense and a total unwillingness to get in guys asses when they need some motivation or just corrective direction. I feel like any of our guys could come down and shoot from half court and not get smacked. That’s an exaggeration but it’s mind blowing some of the stupid, ill timed stuff we do with basically no consequences or even a verbal “don’t do that”. It’s like he’s afraid to hurt anyone’s feelings. Mallers and Moses have certainly regressed this season as has Persons in his decision making and taking care of the rock. El Amin has looked good these last two games back from injury as had Hazen until tonight but I fully expect them to not improve under this staff.
Lament all you like but we are screwed until end of next season thanks to the idiotic extension by Sandy. What a debacle.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 26, 2019 23:22:07 GMT -6
Its funny you mention this. I was listening to the local sports show today and Ogara was on. He was asked about what whits demeanor was when dealing with players. Ogara said something like When Whit first got here he would really get after players especially in practices but he realized this approach did not work and he does not get on guys anymore. It seems as if he has taken more of a friend role not sure thats the answer either
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Post by rgmillikan on Feb 27, 2019 4:19:43 GMT -6
I hope you all make note that there are no shortcomings currently being demonstrated by Whitford in year 6 that weren't evident after his first three or four years here. Just the same as with Buckley and Taylor. You CAN tell if a person is good in his job in three years. Probably the most aggravating aspect of our two decades of program failure is the ridiculous number of years wasted in clinging to weak coaches. Will this lesson be learned? Doubtful. If it wasn't learned after two painful examples, why would a third example make the difference? We have a significant element of the fanbase that is given, for God knows what reason, to tolerate and make endless excuses for weak coaches. This gives just the cover needed for the administration, which is disinclined to make a coaching change because it involves admitting a mistake, and involves a lot of work and bother. I honestly do believe most of fans on this board were opposed to both extensions, especially the 3 year extension after 2015-16. I don't think 00 represents most of the fans in these boards. He's guaranteed to take bullets for Whitford until the administration can afford to buy him out. I put this more on soft administration patting coaches in the back for average to above average MAC campaigns than most of the fans, at least those who speak here.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 27, 2019 4:47:11 GMT -6
Its funny you mention this. I was listening to the local sports show today and Ogara was on. He was asked about what whits demeanor was when dealing with players. Ogara said something like When Whit first got here he would really get after players especially in practices but he realized this approach did not work and he does not get on guys anymore. It seems as if he has taken more of a friend role not sure thats the answer either I’ve said it before, I watched a practice when Jeremiah Davis was playing. As he was apt to do, Davis went 1 on 5 and forced up a terrible shot that missed. Whit scorched him for doing the same thing he’d done 450 other times and wanted him to give the ball up. When Davis jacked around and didn’t pay attention whit went up another notch. I thought, “good, a coach teaching and trying to establish discipline.” Davis ended up benched that season and the team fizzled late. As it always does. But that’s how a coach should be when guys don’t follow the plan or don’t pay attention. Letting “us do us” as Persons said earlier this season doesn’t work either. Players get sloppy and undisciplined. There’s no fear of losing a spot or getting called out. They throw up really bad shots at bad times, they don’t use fundamentals in handling the ball or rebounding or moving/screening etc. They just do whatev... and it shows. Maybe recruit kids who can handle tough coaching and tough moments.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 27, 2019 7:13:27 GMT -6
I hope nobody is under illusion that this recent continued failure with Hazen and El-Amin back available is going to change the narrative of the season we hear from the "supportive" fans. There will be NO change. This is a 100 % certainty. That is the excuse for this year and always will be. Nothing will ever pry it out of their desperate hands.
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Post by uoftoledofans on Feb 27, 2019 7:35:26 GMT -6
Toledo's defense has improved a lot since last season. On the Toledo board the main key to victory was keeping BSU under 70 because we are 13-0 when that happens. 72 was close enough. BSU shot well but Toledo had a ton of blocks and did a good job messing up fast breaks. This was probably the best win while the other team also played solid in 2019.
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Post by david75bsu on Feb 27, 2019 7:39:26 GMT -6
I feel we have a better group of athletes then we have had in a long time. However, I feel the coaching staff is not capable of getting these players to play at the level they are capable of playing. The question is, do we have an AD and a university President capable 0of making decisions that will move our men’s athletic teams to a higher level? History says NO. where does Ball State go from here?
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Post by cardfan on Feb 27, 2019 8:00:03 GMT -6
I feel we have a better group of athletes then we have had in a long time. However, I feel the coaching staff is not capable of getting these players to play at the level they are capable of playing. The question is, do we have an AD and a university President capable 0of making decisions that will move our men’s athletic teams to a higher level? History says NO. where does Ball State go from here? That’s exactly it. It sure looks like we have enough talent to be far better than we are yet here we are at the end of another disappointing season. I agree that this staff can’t squeeze better/more consistent play out of these guys or the HC is just not a good in-game coach and the players are left to their own devices. But, will anything ever change?
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Post by sweep on Feb 27, 2019 8:10:29 GMT -6
I feel we have a better group of athletes then we have had in a long time. However, I feel the coaching staff is not capable of getting these players to play at the level they are capable of playing. The question is, do we have an AD and a university President capable 0of making decisions that will move our men’s athletic teams to a higher level? History says NO. where does Ball State go from here? I don't know, Walton isn't the athlete I thought he was and Hazen hasn't shown much either. I don't think this current team is athletic by DI standards.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 27, 2019 8:13:27 GMT -6
We have talent but we aren’t very athletic. What we do have isn’t being put in the best positions to succeed.
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Post by sweep on Feb 27, 2019 8:21:34 GMT -6
We have talent but we aren’t very athletic. What we do have isn’t being put in the best positions to succeed. Yeah this team needs to run a really disciplined half court offense to reach it's potential, unfortunately Whitford seems clueless on how to do that. What we have is sort of an Offensive Free For All where everyone is allowed to jack-up threes and go one-on-one whenever they like.
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