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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 7, 2019 19:44:45 GMT -6
It's funny, but when his record was skewed by having the 2nd worst non-conference schedule in the entire country, Whitford had nothing much to say about the strength of his opponents. But now that he's squatting in 10th place....
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Post by redbirdman on Mar 7, 2019 20:00:26 GMT -6
The Hustle Belt list is not very good it does not include Hal Greer probably 2nd to Gervin all time you might argue Thurmond is 2nd. He played at Marshall graduated in 58 scored 21,586 points currently 35th in NBA history was a ten time All Star. He was the scoring guard on Chamberlain's 76er team that was 68-13 & averaged 27. Also from Miami in 58 Wayne Embry 5 time All Star scored over 10,000 pts & had over 7,500 rebounds. Both were much better players in the NBA than half of the guys on Hustle Belt's team who were average players at their best not All Stars. I also think most fans don't realize Ohio made the final 8 in 64 losing to # 2 Michigan after beating # 4 Kentucky & Louisville in their first 2 games it is considered Ohio's best ever team. BG best NCAA finish was 63 Final 16 with Thurmond & NBA player to be Howard Komives. Their 49 team was 3rd in NIT was probably better all time but was not in MAC then.
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Post by Hoopsmith on Mar 7, 2019 22:28:22 GMT -6
[[/quote]Did Braun go to Cal? That sound right?[/quote]
I remember that. Do you know what became of him after that?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 23:34:16 GMT -6
Did Braun go to Cal? That sound right? I remember that. Do you know what became of him after that?: Two days after losing to Ohio State in the 2008 National Invitation Tournament, Ben Braun was fired as head coach of the Golden Bears (Cal) on March 26, 2008.
Braun was hired as the head men's coach at Rice, replacing Willis Wilson in 2008. He resigned on March 13, 2014, after six seasons with the Owls, compiling a 63-128 record.
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Post by cbcjanney on Mar 8, 2019 14:25:45 GMT -6
I don't disagree that the games are more unwatchable these days, but I attribute that to a bunch of factors... 1) more sophistication on defense from teams overall, 2) substitution patterns and tv timeouts that allow players to play harder defense for shorter periods of time, 3) every player is so well-scouted, 4) forced shots right before the shot clock expires, 5) replay reviews, 6) officiating that allows a lot of physicality inside and with the hands on the perimeter, and 7) the biggest factor - the 2-man and isolation styles that everybody now plays where there's a lot of standing around without the ball. All much different than the 80's-90's era.
The more pleasurable games to watch for many are the free-flowing ones where defense is sound but not overly mauling, shots are fired up quickly, players are moving/hustling, and the whistles/timeouts are few. Also, many of us old-timers enjoy watching good fundamentals, good passing, good team play, etc which are not big factors in how teams are set up these days. I've read a bunch about all of the analytics the Purdue staff uses in their gameplan prep (one asst coach does only analytics) - it's really amazing how comprehensively every player on the opponent is known for tendencies, weaknesses, etc. Gone are the days where teams just laced them up and played carefree without knowing much of the opponent.
With all of the small-conference tourneys on this next week, watch a bunch of them and see if you think (while knowing you're only seeing the "best" 2 teams) the quality of play in other conferences is noticeably better than the MAC. I've watched a lot of mid-major/low-major games this year, and I think the MAC compares very favorably. Again that may be in a relative sense more so today than comparing to past eras. But it's also very interesting to go back and watch games on youtube from the 80's-90's and see how much the game has changed since then.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Mar 11, 2019 7:21:40 GMT -6
More from Whitford via TSP:
"The win-loss record isn't what we want it to be. You can also flip it and say every metric you can look at — NET, KenPom — would tell you this is the best team we've ever had and that we're around the sixth-best team in the league. There's not one metric that wouldn't say this is the best Ball State team we've ever had, other than our win-loss record. And that's the only thing that matters at the end of the day. It's been a very complicated year for us."
How many pots has he smokened? This is either delusional, or someone deliberately blowing smoke up our collective asses to try to save his job.
The best team WHO has ever had? Certainly not BSU. Certainly not Whitford. Is there a mouse in his pocket???
I'd rather he just come out and say, "We haven't developed as we should have, and that's on me." I can respect honesty a lot more than this utter and complete bullshit.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 11, 2019 8:03:59 GMT -6
This is the standard pattern. Each of our failed coaches started in with this sort of bullshit towards the end. Even Billy Taylor, who seemed so personally likeable, had me completely disgusted with the nonsense he was talking. |
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Post by sweep on Mar 11, 2019 9:52:36 GMT -6
Our RPI as of this morning is 180, so all this proves is James Whitford thinks everyone is a moron.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 11, 2019 10:08:32 GMT -6
Our RPI as of this morning is 180, so all this proves is James Whitford thinks everyone is a moron. It may also show RPI understates strength to some degree when losses are by small margins...
Whitford is right to the extent the other rating systems are all significantly higher than RPI. For that reason, I am sure.
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Post by sweep on Mar 11, 2019 10:19:14 GMT -6
Our RPI as of this morning is 180, so all this proves is James Whitford thinks everyone is a moron. It may also show RPI understates strength to some degree when losses are by small margins...
Whitford is right to the extent the other rating systems are all significantly higher than RPI. For that reason, I am sure.
Oh please Dear God, just stop. That isn't the point you f--king dimwit. We had a better RPI just last season, so it's kind of hard to make an argument this is his best team. "There's not one metric that wouldn't say this is the best Ball State team we've ever had, other than our win-loss record." 00 you are without any doubt among the dumbest humans walking the planet, congrats on that. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Mar 11, 2019 11:47:49 GMT -6
If you look at every metric and can say this is the best team we've ever had, then it must be bad coaching that has led to a record this poor.
What other explanation could there possibly be? Is this Whitford's roundabout way of taking responsibility without, y'know, actually TAKING RESPONSIBILITY for it?
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Post by cardfan on Mar 11, 2019 12:02:44 GMT -6
If you look at every metric and can say this is the best team we've ever had, then it must be bad coaching that has led to a record this poor. What other explanation could there possibly be? Is this Whitford's roundabout way of taking responsibility without, y'know, actually TAKING RESPONSIBILITY for it? It’s complicated..... |
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Post by bsu1 on Mar 11, 2019 12:09:49 GMT -6
Best BSU team ever? Hardly. I'll take Kidd, McCurty, Miller, Parish, Mueller. 6-12 is our best team?
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Post by cardfan on Mar 11, 2019 12:17:07 GMT -6
Best BSU team ever? Hardly. I'll take Kidd, McCurty, Miller, Parish, Mueller. 6-12 is our best team? He’s got to mean his best team . At least I hope that’s what he means. And if his best team has this kind of record? Yeah it’s squarely on his shoulders. |
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Post by redbirdman on Mar 11, 2019 12:56:10 GMT -6
He coached against a lot of our teams at Miami (95-05) & I think the 95,98,00 & 02 were better than any team he has had what a stupid comment.
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