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Post by hejustdidthat on Mar 16, 2019 18:04:22 GMT -6
If I had to choose between having both a mediocre football and a basketball program and drop the terribly expensive football program and the money for an outstanding basketball program I'd drop football every day of the week. I realize wed have to change confidences and that's ok too. Maybe we should have a poll? The odds of gaining national exposure in football is extremely low...with high expenditure. The odds of gaining national exposure in March Madness is slight....but highly more likely on the dollars spent per capita.
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Post by rgmillikan on Mar 17, 2019 8:22:24 GMT -6
If only we had been smart enough to pay Whitford more, as you advocated. We will quite possibly wish he had, as the budget is cut in the coming years. Unless of course BSU fans are willing to put their money where their mouth is in terms of wanting this being a top program. All I'm asking for is don't extend a coach 3 yr when he hadn't proven very much through year 3 since BSU has been burned in the past. History should be the best teacher. I can't believe you are such a Whitford apologist that you would suggest he should of gotten more money, which would mean right now his buyout might be closer to $1.3 million instead of $900,000. I can tell you're literally going to defend Whitford until the day it's announced in 2020 or 2021 that BSU has parted ways with him.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 17, 2019 8:36:19 GMT -6
We will quite possibly wish he had, as the budget is cut in the coming years. Unless of course BSU fans are willing to put their money where their mouth is in terms of wanting this being a top program. All I'm asking for is don't extend a coach 3 yr when he hadn't proven very much through year 3 since BSU has been burned in the past. History should be the best teacher. I can't believe you are such a Whitford apologist that you would suggest he should of gotten more money, which would mean right now his buyout might be closer to $1.3 million instead of $900,000. I can tell you're literally going to defend Whitford until the day it's announced in 2020 or 2021 that BSU has parted ways with him. AGAIN. It has nothing to do with the merit of extension. BUT. IF YOU DO, pack the salary line. OR if you hire new, build the line. My assumption is we almost never will be able to afford buyout, whatever salary, and it's the NEXT hire you are giving more money to if you do that. NEW money is hard to get. Using the past coaches line easier. If nothing else you can use some of it for better assistants. My gripe is the buy low mentality we get trapped into.
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Post by sweep on Mar 17, 2019 8:48:44 GMT -6
All I'm asking for is don't extend a coach 3 yr when he hadn't proven very much through year 3 since BSU has been burned in the past. History should be the best teacher. I can't believe you are such a Whitford apologist that you would suggest he should of gotten more money, which would mean right now his buyout might be closer to $1.3 million instead of $900,000. I can tell you're literally going to defend Whitford until the day it's announced in 2020 or 2021 that BSU has parted ways with him. My gripe is the buy low mentality we get trapped into. Really, because Whitford is making more than the guy at NKU who kicks his ass every conceivable way.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 17, 2019 9:29:24 GMT -6
All I'm asking for is don't extend a coach 3 yr when he hadn't proven very much through year 3 since BSU has been burned in the past. History should be the best teacher. I can't believe you are such a Whitford apologist that you would suggest he should of gotten more money, which would mean right now his buyout might be closer to $1.3 million instead of $900,000. I can tell you're literally going to defend Whitford until the day it's announced in 2020 or 2021 that BSU has parted ways with him. AGAIN. It has nothing to do with the merit of extension. BUT. IF YOU DO, pack the salary line. OR if you hire new, build the line. My assumption is we almost never will be able to afford buyout, whatever salary, and it's the NEXT hire you are giving more money to if you do that. NEW money is hard to get. Using the past coaches line easier. If nothing else you can use some of it for better assistants. My gripe is the buy low mentality we get trapped into. You were in favor of the extension AND a bigger raise. The extension was the heart of the matter and what has put us in the terrible situation we are now in. Nobody is fooled by you trying to pretend you were agnostic on the extension. And your continual harping on shoveling in more money with no recognition of how bad our hiring process is, and no thought as to how to do better is simply throwing good money after bad. You are the very embodiment of the narrow, calcified, dogmatic thought that has made BSU athletics a money losing, game losing joke.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 17, 2019 13:15:44 GMT -6
The extension was defensible. Although at the time a close call I think.
If you do it, I'd prefer it had been more a commitment to upgrade.
I can't remember arguing in advance we should do it very strenuously. After the fact, I could support it. Saw the logic.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 17, 2019 13:19:02 GMT -6
Our process is historically bad which is why you need to attract good candidates. Give them more good choices. The process is bad partly because we are cheap. So I say raise money eliminate that problem.
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Post by sweep on Mar 17, 2019 14:27:03 GMT -6
The extension was defensible. Although at the time a close call I think. If you do it, I'd prefer it had been more a commitment to upgrade. Hey 00dumbass, I have a 96 Chrysler Convertible sitting unused in my garage, I'll sell it to you only $85,000 so you can start budgeting for something better.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 18, 2019 12:28:34 GMT -6
The extension was defensible. Although at the time a close call I think. If you do it, I'd prefer it had been more a commitment to upgrade. Hey 00dumbass, I have a 96 Chrysler Convertible sitting unused in my garage, I'll sell it to you only $85,000 so you can start budgeting for something better. Nah, I'd have bought a more expensive proven upgrade at that time and still want to have it my garage, or maybe still be driving it, instead of following your example of going with a new untested model, lots of parallel there with the BSU way and the auto industry that got Muncie into this mess.
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