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Post by sweep on Mar 19, 2019 12:45:51 GMT -6
In the university world, it's not uncommon for people to take extended leaves of absence, for all sorts of personal reasons. That doesn't bother me... I've been there, and it sucks on a lot of levels, so I don't begrudge him that. It DOES put more pressure on assistants to recruit better, and they haven't stepped up. I've seen a lot of coaches have their W/L record suffer because of loyalty to their assistants. I agree.
He was absent Muncie but not the whole time and did recruit the AAU circuit that summer, not close to a leave of absence. I suppose to a lazy ninny like you that would be full time work.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 20, 2019 5:44:03 GMT -6
Still waiting to hear who the players were that were recruited during the California absconding. No doubt they were instrumental to the 11th place accomplishment.
By the way, are we getting a new banner
Top 11
in Toughest MAC year
EVER.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 20, 2019 6:05:34 GMT -6
I agree.
He was absent Muncie but not the whole time and did recruit the AAU circuit that summer, not close to a leave of absence. I suppose to a lazy ninny like you that would be full time work. I don't see much problem with the decision.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Mar 20, 2019 6:36:34 GMT -6
If you've never worked at a university, you would truly be amazed at what people can get away with. Especially at BSU, where the HR department was terrified to do anything to piss off an employee, for fear of being targeted as racist, misogynist, homophobic, or any other of the plethora of denigrations brought about by people aspiring to adhere to the principles of extreme left progressivism. BSU has gotten a little better in the past couple of years, but incompetence is still rampant because most managers don't want to be "the bad guy." Look up Vance v. Ball State for a great illustration of what strikes terror into the heart of HR.
Anyway, Whitford's kid glove treatment by Sandy doesn't surprise me at all. Sandy gave no fucks, he was never going to get fired. Which trickled down to Whitford.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 20, 2019 6:56:12 GMT -6
I suppose to a lazy ninny like you that would be full time work. I don't see much problem with the decision. Right, because you're going to give us some examples of the recruits he worked on while in California. I'm sure you wouldn't have claimed he was still recruiting in California if you didn't know the facts of the matter.
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Post by realitycheck on Mar 20, 2019 8:55:19 GMT -6
If you've never worked at a university, you would truly be amazed at what people can get away with. Especially at BSU, where the HR department was terrified to do anything to piss off an employee, for fear of being targeted as racist, misogynist, homophobic, or any other of the plethora of denigrations brought about by people aspiring to adhere to the principles of extreme left progressivism. BSU has gotten a little better in the past couple of years, but incompetence is still rampant because most managers don't want to be "the bad guy." Look up Vance v. Ball State for a great illustration of what strikes terror into the heart of HR. Anyway, Whitford's kid glove treatment by Sandy doesn't surprise me at all. Sandy gave no fucks, he was never going to get fired. Which trickled down to Whitford. Lurkin, I must warn you that you are beginning to achieve semi-legendary status in my book. There is a very select group of elite posters who for various reasons have joined the club. Welcome you glorious SOB.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 20, 2019 8:56:34 GMT -6
The fear of lawsuits persists.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 20, 2019 9:17:56 GMT -6
If you've never worked at a university, you would truly be amazed at what people can get away with. Especially at BSU, where the HR department was terrified to do anything to piss off an employee, for fear of being targeted as racist, misogynist, homophobic, or any other of the plethora of denigrations brought about by people aspiring to adhere to the principles of extreme left progressivism. BSU has gotten a little better in the past couple of years, but incompetence is still rampant because most managers don't want to be "the bad guy." Look up Vance v. Ball State for a great illustration of what strikes terror into the heart of HR. Anyway, Whitford's kid glove treatment by Sandy doesn't surprise me at all. Sandy gave no fucks, he was never going to get fired. Which trickled down to Whitford. Lurkin, I must warn you that you are beginning to achieve semi-legendary status in my book. There is a very select group of elite posters who for various reasons have joined the club. Welcome you glorious SOB. He has came a long way
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Mar 20, 2019 10:52:30 GMT -6
If you've never worked at a university, you would truly be amazed at what people can get away with. Especially at BSU, where the HR department was terrified to do anything to piss off an employee, for fear of being targeted as racist, misogynist, homophobic, or any other of the plethora of denigrations brought about by people aspiring to adhere to the principles of extreme left progressivism. BSU has gotten a little better in the past couple of years, but incompetence is still rampant because most managers don't want to be "the bad guy." Look up Vance v. Ball State for a great illustration of what strikes terror into the heart of HR. Anyway, Whitford's kid glove treatment by Sandy doesn't surprise me at all. Sandy gave no fucks, he was never going to get fired. Which trickled down to Whitford. Lurkin, I must warn you that you are beginning to achieve semi-legendary status in my book. There is a very select group of elite posters who for various reasons have joined the club. Welcome you glorious SOB. I'm not sure if I should feel honored, or disappointed that I'm only "semi" legendary...
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Mar 20, 2019 12:48:04 GMT -6
Lurkin, I must warn you that you are beginning to achieve semi-legendary status in my book. There is a very select group of elite posters who for various reasons have joined the club. Welcome you glorious SOB. I'm not sure if I should feel honored, or disappointed that I'm only "semi" legendary... You're only slightly-legendary in my book so take what you can get.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 20, 2019 13:31:37 GMT -6
I don't see much problem with the decision. Right, because you're going to give us some examples of the recruits he worked on while in California. I'm sure you wouldn't have claimed he was still recruiting in California if you didn't know the facts of the matter. There was some recruit we missed due to absence from Muncie? I am sure not aware of that. What exactly are you concerned about him doing that required presence in the office that was neglected?
It is certainly possible for any employee that crisis and family responsibilities has some job impact, somewhere. But there would have been impact whether physically in Muncie or not. I did not see that.
Sandy made a good call. You would not have made accommodation, if you could?
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Mar 20, 2019 13:43:34 GMT -6
I'm not sure if I should feel honored, or disappointed that I'm only "semi" legendary... You're only slightly-legendary in my book so take what you can get. But I'm huge in Japan.
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Post by sweep on Mar 20, 2019 14:13:20 GMT -6
Right, because you're going to give us some examples of the recruits he worked on while in California. I'm sure you wouldn't have claimed he was still recruiting in California if you didn't know the facts of the matter. What exactly are you concerned about him doing that required presence in the office that was neglected?
How about he is being paid in a supervisory role and was 2000 miles away from his subordinates all summer. Let's put it this way, WHAT GOOD DID HIS ABSENCE accomplish ? The answer, none. So let's see how this works, an employee with a screwed-up personal life is rewarded and allowed to spend all summer in a remote location, while employees who have their shit wired straight spend their time in the office. Yeah that's the way to run an organization, no doubt about it. You are an idiot.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 20, 2019 14:50:20 GMT -6
Right, because you're going to give us some examples of the recruits he worked on while in California. I'm sure you wouldn't have claimed he was still recruiting in California if you didn't know the facts of the matter. There was some recruit we missed due to absence from Muncie? I am sure not aware of that. What exactly are you concerned about him doing that required presence in the office that was neglected?
It is certainly possible for any employee that crisis and family responsibilities has some job impact, somewhere. But there would have been impact whether physically in Muncie or not. I did not see that.
Sandy made a good call. You would not have made accommodation, if you could?
You said "He was absent Muncie but not the whole time and did recruit the AAU circuit that summer, not close to a leave of absence."
Well since you are able to flatly state it was "not close to a leave of absence" then I assume you have some fairly good knowledge of his activities. So I ask who he recruited during that time he was in CA.
Of course, I'm just playing a game here. I know perfectly well that you have no idea what he did during that time period, and that it is simply not feasible to do effective recruiting for BSU while living in LA for an extended period. You'll never admit that, so I just amuse myself by asking questions and watching you attempt to dance around your inability to back up what you say.
It wasn't only "close to a leave of absence" ...it WAS a leave of absence. If I were Sandy, I would have told him summer recruiting is a vital job responsibility he was required to fulfill, and that it was unacceptable to spend months 1800 miles away from his targets and his staff. Out of the couple hundred people in my office, not one of them could get away with this. And successful college coaches have to me MORE fanatically hard working than most people to succeed, because their competition is. Whitford's low-energy recruiting makes it, for all practical purposes, impossible for this program to reach championship caliber.
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Post by sweep on Mar 20, 2019 15:16:19 GMT -6
Every place I worked it would have been career suicide to even ask for an accommodation like Whitford was granted.
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