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Post by 00hmh on Mar 22, 2019 17:42:20 GMT -6
There isn't that kind of money even in BSU administration.
Maybe if fired all the library staff except on line and closed it down? The obseleted book part anyway. Keep and expand coffee shop, computer store. But books? The stacks? Zero paid attendance so no revenue loss!
And we would keep high administrators to supervise, of course. After all...
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 22, 2019 18:44:26 GMT -6
I just marvel at how BSU repeatedly gets themselves in these situations.
I mean...after the Taylor and Buckley situations, who in the world would have been stupid enough to support the Whitford extension?
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Post by CallingBS on Mar 22, 2019 19:30:15 GMT -6
0-18 in SEC....but wasn’t the SEC the strongest it’s been in quite some time? Just doesn’t seem fair. That was one of the "quality losses" for us...
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Post by realitycheck on Mar 23, 2019 5:45:18 GMT -6
ESPN reports that Vandy is going to reassign Drew within the athletic department in order to avoid paying his buyout. So, unless he quits he won't be available. Is there anywhere we could reassign Whitford to at BSU that wouldn't have his salary totally out of whack with the new position? I mean is there some high position in the BSU administration that his salary would be within say $100,000 or so that would allow us to hire a new men's basketball coach now? He has something called a contract. It means we owe him xx dollars until it ends. You can reassign him to sweep the floor if you want but he will get 310,000 a year to do it. It it is what it is. We are not devoid of talent and he will probably win 16-20 games a year as long as they keep him he just won’t likely win much in February or March.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 23, 2019 7:56:20 GMT -6
The doldrums in March have occurred too often for anyone to be happy and he has to find ways to have teams improve all year. And players who come up big at the right time.
I buy that the loss of players in conference season last year made that a very tall order, and to a lesser degree this year injury hurt our progress. But, whatever the reason we see few players playing their best at the end of the year, and seniors have not played well as the season ends which is a key to a mid major where one of the few advantages is 4 year players who have a chance (finally) to prove something at the end after a lot of teaching and learning from experience .
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 23, 2019 8:03:35 GMT -6
It does make me wonder how coaching contracts have evolved to this point. I find it fascinating that nobody attempts to attach any type of quality standard to a contract. And by quality, I mean winning.
Sure there are varying factors that affect coaches, and "winning" can take place on varying levels (regular season record, conference tournament record, post-season participation level, various rankings, etc.).
And I'm sure some would say a coach would never sign such a contract.
But can you really imagine Whitford wouldn't have signed his extension if it had included a clause that required him to, say, make it to a MAC tournament semifinal once every four years or to the NIT or NCAA once every six? Not that he would automatically be fired if he didn't do so, but it would become at least a possibility.
Truthfully, I can't imagine anycoach worth his salt would look at those requirements and say, "No, that's asking too much."
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Post by bsutrack on Mar 23, 2019 12:06:25 GMT -6
Is there anywhere we could reassign Whitford to at BSU that wouldn't have his salary totally out of whack with the new position? I mean is there some high position in the BSU administration that his salary would be within say $100,000 or so that would allow us to hire a new men's basketball coach now? He has something called a contract. It means we owe him xx dollars until it ends. You can reassign him to sweep the floor if you want but he will get 310,000 a year to do it. It it is what it is. We are not devoid of talent and he will probably win 16-20 games a year as long as they keep him he just won’t likely win much in February or March. I get the contract aspect. I was just thinking college administrations aren't exactly lean and mean organizations. If there's an empty administrative position where BSU is going to hire and pay some doofus $200,000+ per year anyway, then why not slide Whitford over to that position and hire a real basketball coach? Of course you would now be paying Whitford $310,000 to do something that normally would have cost you $200,000, but then you could turn around and use that $200,000 per year for Sherman's young, hungry basketball coach to turn the program around. Bottom line, the total cost of the two positions would be the same. College administrations have really become bloated over the past decade or two. I would hope there aren't too many $100,000+ per year slots administrating such things as gender equality, but you never know. Heck, what are we paying Beth? Maybe in hindsight we should have moved Whitford to that position instead when Sandy left until Whitford's contract expired? What about BSU athletics could Whitford have fucked-up worse as AD than it already is? Of course BSU wouldn't have scored the "brownie points" for having a female AD.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 23, 2019 16:25:15 GMT -6
I like Track's idea. Given that Whitford's salary is a sunk cost, and that a buy out is probably not feasible, there is still no reason to write off multiple years of the basketball program. BSU has maneuvered itself into a terrible situation and has very little to use by trying something innovative.
If BSU could get Whitford to fill some position and thus save even $100K, that could be used to give a try out to some younger, hungry, bright HS coach. BSU would guarantee this guy two years to try out his ideas he is so excited about. Even $100K would be a nice raise for him. But the big attraction would be the opportunity.
This prospect is about 100 times more interesting and exciting than multiple lame duck Whitford years. But then, almost anything would be.
Of course, you don't have to tell me that the university would be absolutely terrified to try out a new, original idea like this.
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Post by realitycheck on Mar 25, 2019 8:00:28 GMT -6
This is truly now what rock bottom looks like. We are advocating for a $300K janitorial position and making our head coach a high school intern. Love it.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Mar 25, 2019 9:00:07 GMT -6
The university is in a tough financial spot right now. I'm not sure what happened, but open jobs are being eliminated, and budgets are on hold until the new fiscal year.
Athletics is in a pretty deep hole, too, so you can all stop asking if Whitford will be back.
Whitford will ride out his contract, period. There is no chance in hell, or anywhere else, that he gets bought out. Zero. Nada. Zilch.
Clear enough?
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Post by cardfan on Mar 25, 2019 9:59:39 GMT -6
Oh we know that.
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Post by realitycheck on Mar 25, 2019 10:11:07 GMT -6
The university is in a tough financial spot right now. I'm not sure what happened, but open jobs are being eliminated, and budgets are on hold until the new fiscal year. Athletics is in a pretty deep hole, too, so you can all stop asking if Whitford will be back. Whitford will ride out his contract, period. There is no chance in hell, or anywhere else, that he gets bought out. Zero. Nada. Zilch. Clear enough? So you're saying there's a chance...
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Post by sweep on Mar 25, 2019 10:32:37 GMT -6
The university is in a tough financial spot right now. I'm not sure what happened, but open jobs are being eliminated, and budgets are on hold until the new fiscal year. Athletics is in a pretty deep hole, too, so you can all stop asking if Whitford will be back. Whitford will ride out his contract, period. There is no chance in hell, or anywhere else, that he gets bought out. Zero. Nada. Zilch. Clear enough? The real problem is this isn't a problem that gets fixed by allowing incompetent lazy employees to hang around.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Mar 25, 2019 11:36:30 GMT -6
The university is in a tough financial spot right now. I'm not sure what happened, but open jobs are being eliminated, and budgets are on hold until the new fiscal year. Athletics is in a pretty deep hole, too, so you can all stop asking if Whitford will be back. Whitford will ride out his contract, period. There is no chance in hell, or anywhere else, that he gets bought out. Zero. Nada. Zilch. Clear enough? So you're saying there's a chance... No, that is the exact opposite of what I'm saying.
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Post by redbirdman on Mar 25, 2019 13:18:57 GMT -6
I read Ron Hunter new head coach at Tulane. So does Ray go with him or take over Ga State? I think he might take Ga State job.
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