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Post by rgmillikan on Mar 23, 2019 6:31:25 GMT -6
True or false, 2016-17 was the ceiling for Whitford? That ceiling being 11 MAC wins, a loss to the #1 seed in the MAC semis, and a CIT bid. I admit coming out of non-conference this year he had a higher ceiling with his program. Joke was on me. Seems eerily reminiscent of Billy Taylor reaching his ceiling in year 4. This is like a bad news rendition of Groundhog's Day the Ball State edition. Thanks alot Coronel Sandy.
I'd be content to be proven wrong next season, but that's obviously rather doubtful.
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Post by universityjim on Mar 23, 2019 7:16:50 GMT -6
The way he currently operates I believe he has hit the ceiling. I always see room for people to improve, change, grow. If he can alter his ideology or hire to compensate for his weaknesses he could still achieve more. He has to recognize there is a problem first however.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 23, 2019 7:40:27 GMT -6
The way he currently operates I believe he has hit the ceiling. I always see room for people to improve, change, grow. If he can alter his ideology or hire to compensate for his weaknesses he could still achieve more. He has to recognize there is a problem first however. I agree with this except the first sentence, mostly because since we have seen some variation in how he operates we can't be sure what how he operates exactly, and he has had different problems each of the last few years.
For example his teams which had shooters certainly were different in style than this last team. His last team woefully lacked shooting and through the year played in at least two different ways as he tried to offset his shooting woes.
The consistent thing has been lack of a post oriented game, and I think he can win without that as the primary approach. Some have argued he fails to make adjustments during the game. Best case for that was early on, the last two years we haven't exactly had a lot bench to use to make adjustments at half time, less clear he is guilty.
For my taste we need to do better defending the lane against quick players and find more shooting as the biggest improvements. It is conceivable to me we improve if we push the pace more which means his recruiting of some good athletes has to pay off. Whether you count those things as changing his ways, I don't know. Obviously we need to improve!
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Post by cardfan on Mar 23, 2019 7:42:22 GMT -6
The way he currently operates I believe he has hit the ceiling. I always see room for people to improve, change, grow. If he can alter his ideology or hire to compensate for his weaknesses he could still achieve more. He has to recognize there is a problem first however. Yep
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 23, 2019 7:48:59 GMT -6
Not able to recruit players to fit how he plays, or the ability to take advantage of his own players' strengths through coaching, style of play, or match-ups.
Teams consistently lacking fundamentals.
Adjustments do not require a deep bench. They require knowledge of the game, knowledge of how to use your team's strengths to counter your opponent, ability to recognize what the opponent is doing and how to counter.
Whitford lacking in all respects.
Ceiling hit.
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Post by sweep on Mar 23, 2019 9:02:21 GMT -6
The way he currently operates I believe he has hit the ceiling. I always see room for people to improve, change, grow. If he can alter his ideology or hire to compensate for his weaknesses he could still achieve more. He has to recognize there is a problem first however. I agree with this except the first sentence, mostly because since we have seen some variation in how he operates we can't be sure what how he operates exactly, If by that you mean he is even lazier now than when we hired him, I would agree.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 23, 2019 9:57:12 GMT -6
I agree with this except the first sentence, mostly because since we have seen some variation in how he operates we can't be sure what how he operates exactly, If by that you mean he is even lazier now than when we hired him, I would agree. Not much reason to say lazy. You apparently have no idea of the work schedule for a D1 coach.
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Post by sweep on Mar 23, 2019 10:12:34 GMT -6
If by that you mean he is even lazier now than when we hired him, I would agree. Not much reason to say lazy. You apparently have no idea of the work schedule for a D1 coach. Does it typically involve sitting around all summer in California or lamenting to the press how you are happy with your current lousy recruiting because it allows for additional time off ? How about just going through the motions in practice so your teams aren't mentally or physically prepared. How about not spending one minute fund raising or interacting with fans or alumni. How about a degree in Sports Studies, oh yeah Whitford is a real workaholic.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 23, 2019 10:42:39 GMT -6
Not much reason to say lazy. You apparently have no idea of the work schedule for a D1 coach. Does it typically involve sitting around all summer in California or lamenting to the press how you are happy with your current lousy recruiting because it allows for additional time off ? How about just going through the motions in practice so your teams aren't mentally or physically prepared. How about not spending one minute fund raising or interacting with fans or alumni. How about a degree in Sports Studies, oh yeah Whitford is a real workaholic. A series of false or exaggerated and misleading statements does not make your case. Especially your comment about practice time.
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Post by sweep on Mar 23, 2019 10:52:30 GMT -6
Does it typically involve sitting around all summer in California or lamenting to the press how you are happy with your current lousy recruiting because it allows for additional time off ? How about just going through the motions in practice so your teams aren't mentally or physically prepared. How about not spending one minute fund raising or interacting with fans or alumni. How about a degree in Sports Studies, oh yeah Whitford is a real workaholic. A series of false or exaggerated and misleading statements does not make your case. Especially your comment about practice time.
Right it's just a coincidence we are a perennial leader in turnovers.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 23, 2019 12:49:44 GMT -6
A series of false or exaggerated and misleading statements does not make your case. Especially your comment about practice time.
Right it's just a coincidence we are a perennial leader in turnovers. This year I would say it was related to our poor shooting that allowed packed defense. With nobody hitting the 3 we still had to force the ball inside.
A lot of TO's were by our big guys who were swarmed and/or trying an interior passing game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 14:02:51 GMT -6
Let’s call it a tie and move to next subject.
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Post by sweep on Mar 23, 2019 15:02:19 GMT -6
Right it's just a coincidence we are a perennial leader in turnovers. This year I would say it was related to our poor shooting that allowed packed defense.
What was it related to the previous five seasons. 13-14 346th 14-15 234th 15-16 310th 16-17 322nd 17-18 172nd 18-19 319th This season was hardly out of the norm.
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Post by CallingBS on Mar 23, 2019 15:28:36 GMT -6
This year I would say it was related to our poor shooting that allowed packed defense.
What was it related to the previous five seasons. 13-14 346th 14-15 234th 15-16 310th 16-17 322nd 17-18 172nd 18-19 319th This season was hardly out of the norm. Those pesky facts...
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 23, 2019 15:33:35 GMT -6
What was it related to the previous five seasons. 13-14 346th 14-15 234th 15-16 310th 16-17 322nd 17-18 172nd 18-19 319th This season was hardly out of the norm. Those pesky facts... The pesky facts are not linked to "lazy" coaching. That is halftime's unsupported assertion. You will note above I have not argued that we should not do better.
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