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Post by sweep on Apr 8, 2019 11:08:28 GMT -6
collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2019/04/08/its-ok-to-not-be-ok-trey-moses-battle-for-mental-wellness/"Trey tried to end his own life in May of 2017, at the end of his sophomore year. It was yet another night that he spent crying, uncontrollably, when he took a bunch of pills. He immediately regretted it, calling a friend to take him to the hospital where he spent the next few days recovering. He had been hospitalized before, when he did not feel safe being by himself, but this was the first time that he went beyond self-harm." The whole article is just wow............
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Apr 8, 2019 12:04:21 GMT -6
As someone who has, and continues, do deal with severe depression and mental instability, it's something Trey will never "get over" or be "cured" of. It's a daily battle with one's own mind to continue to be the person he is and wants to be. I wish him all the best in the world!
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Post by bsu0 on Apr 8, 2019 12:35:11 GMT -6
Depression is a black hole once one falls into, escape is almost impossible without a lot of help. Trey keep in touch with your support group and hang in there. It is not an easy road to go down but better days are in your future. Even Cardinals need help once in a while. Good luck and don't give up.
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Post by cardfan on Apr 8, 2019 12:40:00 GMT -6
All the very best to Trey. And anyone suffering from debilitating depression.
People don’t know just how bad things were in the program the last couple years. I will give whit and the staff credit for helping some kids navigate through a very dark time. Sadly Zach Hollywood took matters into his own hands.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 8, 2019 12:43:33 GMT -6
Wow I knew all of that already but rereading it was tough.. I cant even Imagine trying to live through it while battling your own demons
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Post by thebsukid on Apr 8, 2019 13:40:13 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 14:19:30 GMT -6
collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2019/04/08/its-ok-to-not-be-ok-trey-moses-battle-for-mental-wellness/"Trey tried to end his own life in May of 2017, at the end of his sophomore year. It was yet another night that he spent crying, uncontrollably, when he took a bunch of pills. He immediately regretted it, calling a friend to take him to the hospital where he spent the next few days recovering. He had been hospitalized before, when he did not feel safe being by himself, but this was the first time that he went beyond self-harm." The whole article is just wow............ Along with Zach Hollywood, if we lost Trey Moses to depression, it would have put the program into complete disarray, but not nearly as important as losing two really good people.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Apr 15, 2019 7:38:27 GMT -6
"Trey knows there’s a stigma associated with people fighting for their mental wellness, and he knows all-too-well the shame that those with depression feel. He understands the vicious circle this creates. Speaking up, especially as an athlete in a world where toughness means fighting through pain — both physical and psychological — without complaint, gets you branded as soft. So you internalize it. You isolate yourself because it’s easier than explaining why an otherwise healthy human is struggling to hold it all together. That, in turn, only reinforces the belief that you are alone, that there is no one that cares, no one that loves you enough to say those six seemingly obvious words — “I want you to be alive” — because they can’t see through the facade that you’ve spent your life perfecting."
How many of us have referred to him as "soft"?
How many of us feel like assholes now? (Hand raised)
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Apr 15, 2019 8:46:43 GMT -6
"Trey knows there’s a stigma associated with people fighting for their mental wellness, and he knows all-too-well the shame that those with depression feel. He understands the vicious circle this creates. Speaking up, especially as an athlete in a world where toughness means fighting through pain — both physical and psychological — without complaint, gets you branded as soft. So you internalize it. You isolate yourself because it’s easier than explaining why an otherwise healthy human is struggling to hold it all together. That, in turn, only reinforces the belief that you are alone, that there is no one that cares, no one that loves you enough to say those six seemingly obvious words — “I want you to be alive” — because they can’t see through the facade that you’ve spent your life perfecting." How many of us have referred to him as "soft"? How many of us feel like assholes now? (Hand raised)
I acknowledge being an asshole generally, but I don't feel like an asshole for saying Trey played soft. It was the truth. I understand where the softness came from and I will always hope he gets the help he needs, but we don't get to change true and false. Even playing soft he was still a very good player. And the one thing every single person on the board agrees on is that Trey seems like a great person. Which is more important than how he played ball.
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Post by cardfan on Apr 15, 2019 8:48:47 GMT -6
"Trey knows there’s a stigma associated with people fighting for their mental wellness, and he knows all-too-well the shame that those with depression feel. He understands the vicious circle this creates. Speaking up, especially as an athlete in a world where toughness means fighting through pain — both physical and psychological — without complaint, gets you branded as soft. So you internalize it. You isolate yourself because it’s easier than explaining why an otherwise healthy human is struggling to hold it all together. That, in turn, only reinforces the belief that you are alone, that there is no one that cares, no one that loves you enough to say those six seemingly obvious words — “I want you to be alive” — because they can’t see through the facade that you’ve spent your life perfecting." How many of us have referred to him as "soft"? How many of us feel like assholes now? (Hand raised)
I acknowledge being an asshole generally, but I don't feel like an asshole for saying Trey played soft. It was the truth. I understand where the softness came from and I will always hope he gets the help he needs, but we don't get to change true and false. Even playing soft he was still a very good player. And the one thing every single person on the board agrees on is that Trey seems like a great person. Which is more important than how he played ball.
Exactly.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 15, 2019 9:32:29 GMT -6
"Trey knows there’s a stigma associated with people fighting for their mental wellness, and he knows all-too-well the shame that those with depression feel. He understands the vicious circle this creates. Speaking up, especially as an athlete in a world where toughness means fighting through pain — both physical and psychological — without complaint, gets you branded as soft. So you internalize it. You isolate yourself because it’s easier than explaining why an otherwise healthy human is struggling to hold it all together. That, in turn, only reinforces the belief that you are alone, that there is no one that cares, no one that loves you enough to say those six seemingly obvious words — “I want you to be alive” — because they can’t see through the facade that you’ve spent your life perfecting." How many of us have referred to him as "soft"? How many of us feel like assholes now? (Hand raised) I acknowledge being an asshole generally, but I don't feel like an asshole for saying Trey played soft. It was the truth. I understand where the softness came from and I will always hope he gets the help he needs, but we don't get to change true and false.
I don't know. Most of the comment was made without knowing the story, so I agree about there being less guilt anyone should feel. 20-20 hindsight is great.
You are right, everybody was, that we didn't have to like the play, and describing it as soft play was fair enough. Still, I don't think there should have been as much and as personal complaint and I would bet if the whole story had been known it would have been drastically toned down.
Of course NOW surely you have to feel a little regret, when you think about how much of that talk there was targeting both Trey and the coaching staff for not being "tough." This was not a problem so easily solved.
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Post by cardfan on Apr 15, 2019 9:54:06 GMT -6
Personally I separate on the court play from everything else. No matter the reason or cause we needed stronger interior play. If a player is unable to provide what a team needs you normally find it elsewhere.
Trey the person is amazing, damaged and magnificent.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 15, 2019 10:16:01 GMT -6
You have to be able to separate on and off the court. If that was something Trey was unable to do then Whit needed a back up plan for nights Trey could not go. Whit had three years to come up with a back up plan and he never did so. Hell we still might not have a back up plan for Trey and he is off o doing better things
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Post by reevo on Apr 15, 2019 10:24:42 GMT -6
Depression is an ugly debilitating disease and I sure hope he gets the help he needs. He has such an unbelievable heart and basketball is such a small part of what I hope is a long and fruitful life. As far as basketball goes, we have to have some enforcers. The program and ones like ours who have had success have that tough minded and physical edge over those they play. This program has been lacking toughness from the head coach down for over two decades now.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Apr 15, 2019 14:38:19 GMT -6
All I can say is that I would have given him a lot more credit for his play had I known all this at the time. But then I guess it would have turned into a qualifier, probably not something Trey wanted.
"Well, he played pretty well... considering." Nobody wants an asterisk on their stat sheet.
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