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Post by 00hmh on Jul 17, 2019 9:42:47 GMT -6
No extensions. Then you just end up right back where we are now. If recruiting has to take a hit for a year, so be it. So you would let him coach the final year out with no extension or would you rather him fired after this year? Unless things turn this years class is not going to be very good and next years would be worse. So your actually losing two years of recruiting good players No doubt this situation is not pretty. And if this year is a real train wreck, AND if financial exigency does not exist, then we would likely make a change.
But whatever happens this year in recruiting is water under the bridge. Keep or replace makes no difference with that. And next years recruiting is not going to explode because we have a new coach hired.
The real problem is that there is no certainty a new coach does a lot better next year or for that matter later.
Hate to be negative, but is it really better to get another 5 year contract on an unknown quantity likely to have many of the same problems this coach has, or better to bet this coach has learned something in his 4 years, and can improve?
Not sure at all the best bet is on the unknown quantity, probably a long shot at best if the Program has any sign of life this year.
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Post by cardfan on Jul 17, 2019 9:48:12 GMT -6
So you would let him coach the final year out with no extension or would you rather him fired after this year? Unless things turn this years class is not going to be very good and next years would be worse. So your actually losing two years of recruiting good players I would rather have let him go at the end of last season, to be honest. But the budget won't allow it. With the extreme cutbacks in athletics, he won't be fired after this season either, so we don't have a lot of options. He's going to finish out his contract. I tend to think you are correct here. Despite whatever Beth might want I think Mearns and BOT are gonna say no, you have to keep him.
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 17, 2019 10:02:00 GMT -6
So, what do you want to do? Extend weak coaches indefinitely? Betting on improvement of a coach we hired who needed OJT, needed to build a staff, and we didn't give all that much in the way of resources to accomplish anything great, is depressing. That is true. Kind of a long shot he has learned enough AND now has the resources he needs if you want more than a middling MAC Program.
Betting we do a lot better by firing him and as result having to hire on a shoestring again is not real exciting either.
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Post by williamtsherman on Jul 17, 2019 12:35:36 GMT -6
We all know what your wisdom on extensions gets us.
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 17, 2019 13:03:15 GMT -6
We all know what your wisdom on extensions gets us. OK. How about giving us your estimate of success in each of the alternatives available. And a rationale.
Don't really see how you can be so sure one path is a lot better than the other, explain your certainty about it. Even after the fact we have little idea how an alternative decision would have worked.
I am only certain about one thing that we don't have all the knowledge in these situations. Or have a crystal ball. If there is an extension and the AD has a rationale I can defend it. Even without any great confidence or certainty.
Easy to say the decision is going to be a loser, especially in these situations which are probably no win.
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Post by williamtsherman on Jul 17, 2019 14:50:32 GMT -6
I don't follow the Neu situation closely enough to assess specific alternatives. However, while browsing this thread I saw the old "we have to extend the coach we don't like because of recruiting" plan mentioned. That's the losingest plan in the history of loserdom. The way to break out of a regular cycle of replacing bad coaches is not to extend bad coaches, but rather to stop hiring bad coaches. If you feel you're not capable of that then why do you even have a program? That's basically the point I have arrived at concerning basketball.
Then I further noted that 00hmh is the last person on earth who I would listen to where a coaching contract extension is concerned.
That's my wisdom...I can't help you all any further.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Jul 17, 2019 15:02:42 GMT -6
Then I further noted that 00hmh is the last person on earth who I would listen to where a coaching contract extension is concerned.
The real question should be whether there is there any subject that you would listen to 00 on?
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Post by williamtsherman on Jul 17, 2019 16:33:45 GMT -6
Well, anytime I would want a long-winded rehash of conventional wisdom, or a dull, repetitive, one-hand-other-hand recitation of truisms and tropes justifying the acceptance of mediocrity, then he would be my go-to guy. Of course I have never wanted any of those things, but I'm just saying if I did, I would listen closely to him.
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 17, 2019 17:37:22 GMT -6
Just glad for BSU FB to have another fan.
And the FB forum another poster.
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Post by lmills72 on Jul 17, 2019 19:02:11 GMT -6
Guys, all this talk about buyouts and extensions is unnecessary. As has been stated numerous times on this forum, Neu is a BSU guy, loves the university.
So after four years of sub-standard results, a guy who loves good ol' BSU won't want to hold the program back any longer, nor will he want to hold the university ransom for the remainder of a contract when he's already banked $1.7 million at a minimum in the previous four years.
If Beth wants him out at the end of this year, he walks away. That's just what a guy who loves BSU does.
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Post by david75bsu on Jul 17, 2019 20:55:53 GMT -6
Who on this board really thinks Ball State leadership will put forth the resources necessary to hire and support a new coach and staff that will give our football program a chance to make the necessary steps to compete for a MAC Championship and win our first bowl game. For one, not me. They have a proven record of trying to win on the cheap. Hoke, a Ball State alum, and Stan Parrish happened along at the right moment in time. Davis was pure magic at quarterback. Hoke left the Cards because the administration displayed a total lack of desire to invest in the program. One persons thoughts.
With that said, I have my season tickets and will be at all games as well as a few road games. I will support my Cardinals to the best of my ability to the ends of the earth. I bleed Cardinal red. I know the fight song and sing it every time its played, even at odd times of the day night. Go Cardinal and White!
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 17, 2019 21:58:31 GMT -6
Who on this board really thinks Ball State leadership will put forth the resources necessary to hire and support a new coach and staff that will give our football program a chance to make the necessary steps to compete for a MAC Championship and win our first bowl game. For one, not me. They have a proven record of trying to win on the cheap. Hoke, a Ball State alum, and Stan Parrish happened along at the right moment in time. Davis was pure magic at quarterback. Hoke left the Cards because the administration displayed a total lack of desire to invest in the program. One persons thoughts. With that said, I have my season tickets and will be at all games as well as a few road games. I will support my Cardinals to the best of my ability to the ends of the earth. I bleed Cardinal red. I know the fight song and sing it every time its played, even at odd times of the day night. Go Cardinal and White! All truth
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Post by lmills72 on Jul 17, 2019 22:41:20 GMT -6
Hoke left the Cards because the administration displayed a total lack of desire to invest in the program. So the multi-million dollar contract San Diego State offered him had nothing to do with it?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 17, 2019 23:19:01 GMT -6
Hoke left the Cards because the administration displayed a total lack of desire to invest in the program. So the multi-million dollar contract San Diego State offered him had nothing to do with it? Wow we have some night owls tonight.. yes I would imagine the money did also play a role in hokes departure
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Post by cardfan on Jul 18, 2019 3:19:43 GMT -6
The money played a role but so did the administration’s unwillingness to pony up for Hoke’s staff. Brady was offered a nice bump but he wanted more for his staff and more resources for the program. Bsu wouldn’t play ball so it made it much easier for hoke to walk when SDSU came calling. Maybe he would have left anyway but the administration didn’t help.
And hoke might not have won again at bsu with the talent drain after that one magical season. We’ll never know.
My problem has never been that he left for a better opportunity but when/how he left. I really feel it cost us the MACC because guys knew it was coming, and he was up and gone before the bowl and that was that. We were not the same.
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