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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 5:33:59 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 18, 2019 5:56:58 GMT -6
Money was part. Both that and career ambition are understandable enough.
But. cardfan is right although he understates the factor that Hoke knew we were not going to be very good for a year or two. At least. And if he lost staff...especially Parrish...
Staying would have threatened his longer term future was the bigger factor I think. Fighting for staff a bit of pretext I think.
cardfan right also about the timing and manner of departure. That killed our postseason and takes a lot of the shine off any halo for a St. Brady.
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Post by david75bsu on Jul 18, 2019 6:56:28 GMT -6
Hoke left the Cards because the administration displayed a total lack of desire to invest in the program. So the multi-million dollar contract San Diego State offered him had nothing to do with it? IMO, no. Not a huge move up. He was tired of not getting those, things he thought he needed to build the program.
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Post by david75bsu on Jul 18, 2019 6:58:16 GMT -6
The money played a role but so did the administration’s unwillingness to pony up for Hoke’s staff. Brady was offered a nice bump but he wanted more for his staff and more resources for the program. Bsu wouldn’t play ball so it made it much easier for hoke to walk when SDSU came calling. Maybe he would have left anyway but the administration didn’t help. And hoke might not have won again at bsu with the talent drain after that one magical season. We’ll never know. My problem has never been that he left for a better opportunity but when/how he left. I really feel it cost us the MACC because guys knew it was coming, and he was up and gone before the bowl and that was that. We were not the same. Wish I would have read this before I replied earlier. Agree with everything you said.
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 18, 2019 7:38:43 GMT -6
So the multi-million dollar contract San Diego State offered him had nothing to do with it? IMO, no. Not a huge move up. He was tired of not getting those, things he thought he needed to build the program. He knew he'd suffer a career setback staying. He stayed that year to cash in on anticipated success knowing he was leaving. Never an option to stay.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 18, 2019 8:20:26 GMT -6
Any new up and coming coach is going to leave if the option is there. Mac is near bottom of coaches salaries as a conference and BSU is middle to bottom of the MAC. Thats why I often wonder if would not be better to take the Ohio approach find a guy like Solich. He does not need the money but still has a desire to coach. Many of these guys who get fired at big time schools are good coaches but expectations are so high they are often never met. The key to hiring a retread is how and if he can build a staff. If you get a good head coach/strategist and surround him with some cool dudes that can recruit you can succeed anywhere
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 18, 2019 9:24:45 GMT -6
In fact if we want to win use this guide line and we would
Head coach Retread who has won at this level and moved up and had middling success at a power 5 who has been shut out but "LOVES" FOOTBALL.
OC Young FCS guy Energetic ready to prove himself... Must be Stable and willing to listen and learn from above
DC 30-40 year old hard ass junkyard dog mentality
All position coaches 20-30 year old hip cool guys that can sell oceans in arizona. The only other requirement is that they must listen and coach/learn from the OC and Dc
Thats the formula
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Post by cardfan on Jul 18, 2019 9:46:50 GMT -6
Let’s go get urban Meyer! ;-)
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 18, 2019 10:28:15 GMT -6
Let’s go get urban Meyer! ;-) While I love your enthusiasm lets not get carried away lol
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Post by cardfan on Jul 18, 2019 10:37:42 GMT -6
Let’s go get urban Meyer! ;-) While I love your enthusiasm lets not get carried away lol Yeah no worries about me being remotely serious about that
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 18, 2019 10:45:58 GMT -6
While I love your enthusiasm lets not get carried away lol Yeah no worries about me being remotely serious about that What your not serious? We have lots to offer Urban
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Post by cardfan on Jul 18, 2019 10:49:40 GMT -6
Yeah no worries about me being remotely serious about that What your not serious? We have lots to offer Urban Way more than places like Florida and Ohio st.
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Post by BSUMike on Jul 18, 2019 14:39:43 GMT -6
I don’t know. Maybe low stress Muncie, IN is just what Urban Meyer needs!
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 18, 2019 16:25:21 GMT -6
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Post by rgmillikan on Aug 17, 2019 9:31:54 GMT -6
Any new up and coming coach is going to leave if the option is there. Mac is near bottom of coaches salaries as a conference and BSU is middle to bottom of the MAC. Thats why I often wonder if would not be better to take the Ohio approach find a guy like Solich. He does not need the money but still has a desire to coach. Many of these guys who get fired at big time schools are good coaches but expectations are so high they are often never met. The key to hiring a retread is how and if he can build a staff. If you get a good head coach/strategist and surround him with some cool dudes that can recruit you can succeed anywhere I am all for idea of hiring an ex power 5 head coach that didn't work. Central just did that with McElwain.
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