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Post by sweep on Jul 2, 2019 6:33:17 GMT -6
Offered by Buffalo
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 2, 2019 9:12:27 GMT -6
How significant for any of the schools are these "offers" now?
"Offers" are relatively meaningless it seems. So many of these recruits have 8-10 or more offers, and are maybe not very serious about any of them, except they know they might continue to be recruited. Until they are not being contacted anymore...
The schools have 2-4 scholarships and 15 or more offers out we know about. And of course more offers are perhaps going to be made to other recruits. How seriously are any these "offers" being treated by either party? Certainly not very seriously in many cases.
The reality is that if they are even looking at a kid half way seriously the norm seems now to be they make an "offer." This was not always the way it was done, now seems to be much more casually done. At this point in time an "offer" is a vague and non binding proposal to continue recruiting a prospect. Even when a recruit "commits" it is not really "accepting," just a non binding statement of intent to sign and return it should a NLOI later come.
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Post by williamtsherman on Jul 2, 2019 11:01:11 GMT -6
Is it true that schools make more offers and less seriously than in the past? I have no idea...I'm just asking. I was not aware, if this is the case.
I think it's always been common to make more offers than you have scholarships, under the assumption that they will not all be accepted, and anyway with everyone understanding that outstanding offers become void once a school hits their scholarship limit. |
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Post by sweep on Jul 2, 2019 11:19:12 GMT -6
Is it true that schools make more offers and less seriously than in the past? I have no idea...I'm just asking. I was not aware, if this is the case.
I think it's always been common to make more offers than you have scholarships, under the assumption that they will not all be accepted, and anyway with everyone understanding that outstanding offers become void once a school hits their scholarship limit. Schools also typically target positions and tell recruits up front they are going to take the first kid to accept at that position. Over the past three seasons Ball State has sort of found a highly successful niche closing on kids with no other offers, Whitford gets to drink from the coffee pot when there is no competition. |
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Post by cardfan on Jul 2, 2019 11:30:36 GMT -6
Because after all, coffee IS for closers.
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 2, 2019 11:57:58 GMT -6
Is it true that schools make more offers and less seriously than in the past? I have no idea...I'm just asking. I was not aware, if this is the case.
I think it's always been common to make more offers than you have scholarships, under the assumption that they will not all be accepted, and anyway with everyone understanding that outstanding offers become void once a school hits their scholarship limit. More offers than scholarships, sure, I think that happened. But not on the scale we see now. I don't think there is a lot of doubt about it.
Basically it is all part of a really different environment. Recruiting is a lot different than the past.
If you go back to the 70's and 80's dramatically different. Even over the last 20 years. Regional and even mostly in state recruiting for some programs is was once far more a norm.
AAU as one of the keys recruiting has changed things. You saw recruits at HS games and the HS coach was more important in evaluation. Schools are now able to more easily see more good prospects with a single recruiting trip to a tournament in summer, aren't screened out by HS coaches.
ESPN and other national media coverage of basketball had a big impact. The recruits see national TV as meaning their family and friends can see them play on the big stage, are aware of bright lights other places than the biggest nearby schools. More schools show interest in them.
Communication much different, was a lot harder then. HS kids didn't have cell phones, social media was not the big factor.
The result is expansion of the recruiting area for almost all nationally prominent programs instead of a it just being a handful, and that became a model followed more and more by all programs. Recruiting was harder more expensive. Recruits of 30 years ago certainly were less well known, less able to be observed easily, and less aware and interested in going to school farther from home.
I think the obvious result is more schools pursuing more recruits. More competition. All that leads to more offers. But, I think the offer meant more then, too. Not just a show of interest, but a more serious thing. Came closer to the end of recruiting, often at a campus visit and the recruit more often accepted on the spot or shortly after.
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 2, 2019 12:05:48 GMT -6
Is it true that schools make more offers and less seriously than in the past? I have no idea...I'm just asking. I was not aware, if this is the case.
I think it's always been common to make more offers than you have scholarships, under the assumption that they will not all be accepted, and anyway with everyone understanding that outstanding offers become void once a school hits their scholarship limit. Schools also typically target positions and tell recruits up front they are going to take the first kid to accept at that position. The problem with that theory is that the recruits really don't commit that quickly.
Position as an issue? Big guys are always a premium, always have been. I think the position issue is more a factor in the recruit knowing better his chances to play early. Whatever the position. There is more information about the coaching style of play and the personnel on the roster than back in the day. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 2, 2019 12:17:34 GMT -6
I think it's always been common to make more offers than you have scholarships, under the assumption that they will not all be accepted, and anyway with everyone understanding that outstanding offers become void once a school hits their scholarship limit. That is not the way it works exactly though. The recruit who counted on "accepting" can't really do that, and if he actually did "accept" sometimes find the message back was that the offer was no longer open. What? More like the recruit "offers" the school...after being "offered." Which was really more an invitation to deal.
In contract law an offer makes the offeror vulnerable to having the offeree form a binding agreement with a "yes." Here only the NLOI process does that.
My point above is that the way you imagine it was much more true in an earlier day. Offers were far more serious.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 2, 2019 13:17:39 GMT -6
Ask Zach Gunn about offers they do not mean squat until you sign an loi.. He had offers that were not valid by the time signing day rolled around.. Happens on football .uch more often and to a greater extent
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 18:29:32 GMT -6
I think it's always been common to make more offers than you have scholarships, under the assumption that they will not all be accepted, and anyway with everyone understanding that outstanding offers become void once a school hits their scholarship limit. That is not the way it works exactly though. The recruit who counted on "accepting" can't really do that, and if he actually did "accept" sometimes find the message back was that the offer was no longer open. What? More like the recruit "offers" the school...after being "offered." Which was really more an invitation to deal.
In contract law an offer makes the offeror vulnerable to having the offeree form a binding agreement with a "yes." Here only the NLOI process does that.
My point above is that the way you imagine it was much more true in an earlier day. Offers were far more serious.
I’ve been on the road but I DVR’d all of 00hmh’s responses to go through later 🍻💨🍻 |
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Post by thebsukid on Jul 6, 2019 14:19:39 GMT -6
Sweep, I actually would love to see you Coach BSU for just one season! It would be a f joke. You talk big but lack substance you attack constantly like a 6 year old! You never credit any coach or board member! You couldn’t get a recruit with a pile of cash and 7 loose women.
Face it... your a j o.
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Post by sweep on Jul 14, 2019 8:26:22 GMT -6
Offered by Duquesne and Illinois State ......
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Post by sweep on Jul 23, 2019 7:37:48 GMT -6
Offered by Loyola Chicago
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Post by williamtsherman on Jul 23, 2019 7:43:08 GMT -6
Sweep, I actually would love to see you Coach BSU for just one season! It would be a f joke. You talk big but lack substance you attack constantly like a 6 year old! You never credit any coach or board member! You couldn’t get a recruit with a pile of cash and 7 loose women. Face it... your a j o. Be all that as it may, I can guarantee with 100% certainty that Sweep would win just as many championships as the sorry series of coaches you've been touting and making excuses for over the last two decades |
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 23, 2019 9:48:01 GMT -6
Sure, but we need to aim higher. By that logic let's put halftime in charge of NASA. He'd also match the number of moon landings.
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