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Post by cardfan on Sept 12, 2019 18:04:08 GMT -6
In his freshmen year when he was healthy Huntley was the better running back. I agree that two years of Huntley is better than one year of Gilbert. Gilbert is a better back, period. I like Huntley, but James is much more versatile and explosive. I agree.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 18:15:25 GMT -6
Begs a question.....have we really made any players “better” in the last 4+ years?
Has anyone come into the program and consistently improved year on year?
I keep thinking of Hall. He looked like he was going to be a world beater in year one and it seems we don’t have any focus on him since then.
I’m sure there are examples of meteoric improvement of some players that you guys know about.
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Post by cardfan on Sept 12, 2019 18:53:48 GMT -6
Kinda like basketball.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 12, 2019 19:12:51 GMT -6
Well I guess you could say Riley Miller has greatly improved but your point is Valid. I will say I like the direction Plitt is going and the two young corners are really good. Now the question is can the get better over the next 2-3 years. It seems like Kids become sophomores and just remain there talent wise. Is it coaching or is it recruiting maybe both. You hear of players ceilings in the NFL alot, so and so went in the 5th round because he has reached his ceiling. Maybe we are getting players who have came to or are close to thier "ceiling when we get them"
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Post by lmills72 on Sept 12, 2019 20:02:16 GMT -6
I wonder if it's too much anymore to ask for a real difference maker.
I mean it's nice that relatively unheralded recruits like Miller and Plitt have improved, but have any of our supposed studs (or anyone else) developed into players that opponents have to game-plan for? A shutdown corner? A DL you better damn sure double up or he's going to eat up your QBs and RBs all day long? A OL a RB can ride play after play, consistently deliver in short-yardage situations?
Who was the last player we had that fit that category ... at any position. I thought Gilbert could have become that but it never happened.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 13, 2019 0:16:06 GMT -6
It's been a minute I guess snead if you really want an answer. It seems like forever and ever on d. Maybe Newsome, then before that the souleater. I'm sure I forgot someone but whoever it was there have not been many
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2019 4:49:14 GMT -6
I like Calhoun’s take on this above. When you languish in the bottom of the D1 toilet bowl conference, your recruiting pool isn’t actually a bunch of fancy goldfish.
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Post by comet on Sept 13, 2019 8:12:53 GMT -6
Pinter probably falls into this category since he was recruited as a tight end and is now a tackle that is, at least, getting scouting looks.
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Post by bsutony on Sept 13, 2019 8:15:26 GMT -6
In his freshmen year when he was healthy Huntley was the better running back. I agree that two years of Huntley is better than one year of Gilbert. Gilbert is a better back, period. I like Huntley, but James is much more versatile and explosive. I disagree. After his freshmen year Gilbert had pretty average results. When they were both healthy in the same year Huntley had better numbers. Huntley always gains the extra yard after contact. Gilbert is a good back, but he doesn't have the power that Huntley has. It's not like Gilbert has much more speed either.
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Post by cardcat on Sept 13, 2019 12:12:46 GMT -6
I wonder if it's too much anymore to ask for a real difference maker. I mean it's nice that relatively unheralded recruits like Miller and Plitt have improved, but have any of our supposed studs (or anyone else) developed into players that opponents have to game-plan for? A shutdown corner? A DL you better damn sure double up or he's going to eat up your QBs and RBs all day long? A OL a RB can ride play after play, consistently deliver in short-yardage situations? Who was the last player we had that fit that category ... at any position. I thought Gilbert could have become that but it never happened. If your not counting specialists like Brad Maynard and Reggie Hodges....IMO the closest is Dante Love and Robert Brewster. They may not have been 4 stars but both were highly regarded and expected to make major impact their first year. Dante exceeded expectations and forced coaches at all levels to game plan for him. I will never stop hating IU for what happened to him. That split second horse collar by their LB exposed him and left him unprotected for a collision with the DB (who was shaken to the core at Dante's injury). Brewster may have ended up being one of our best NFL alum ever if not for injury. 3rd round draft pick by Cowboys that could never fully recover from a pectoral tear his rookie year. Interesting to note - Brewster was his high school's conference Offensive MVP........AS A TACKLE.
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Post by CallingBS on Sept 14, 2019 6:48:01 GMT -6
Gilbert is a better back, period. I like Huntley, but James is much more versatile and explosive. I disagree. After his freshmen year Gilbert had pretty average results. When they were both healthy in the same year Huntley had better numbers. Huntley always gains the extra yard after contact. Gilbert is a good back, but he doesn't have the power that Huntley has. It's not like Gilbert has much more speed either. And that's why Huntley is playing in the MAC and Gilbert is playing in the Big 12... Gilbert is MUCH faster. Their 40 times don't lie. They are completely different types of RB's, but James also got plenty of yards after contact. The yardage shift happened because Neu started playing his recruit more. Again, I like Huntley, but if both are healthy, I'd much rather have Gilbert.
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Post by CallingBS on Sept 14, 2019 6:50:34 GMT -6
Exactly. Player development in our basketball and football has been non-existent for a long time.
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Post by bsutony on Sept 14, 2019 9:17:20 GMT -6
I disagree. After his freshmen year Gilbert had pretty average results. When they were both healthy in the same year Huntley had better numbers. Huntley always gains the extra yard after contact. Gilbert is a good back, but he doesn't have the power that Huntley has. It's not like Gilbert has much more speed either. And that's why Huntley is playing in the MAC and Gilbert is playing in the Big 12... Gilbert is MUCH faster. Their 40 times don't lie. They are completely different types of RB's, but James also got plenty of yards after contact. The yardage shift happened because Neu started playing his recruit more. Again, I like Huntley, but if both are healthy, I'd much rather have Gilbert. I guess we were watching different players. Gilbert has decent speed for a RB, but he is not a burner. He definitely isn't "MUCH faster" as you claim. Solid all-around back though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 17:03:50 GMT -6
59 yards today against Miss St.
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Post by CallingBS on Sept 15, 2019 12:17:55 GMT -6
And that's why Huntley is playing in the MAC and Gilbert is playing in the Big 12... Gilbert is MUCH faster. Their 40 times don't lie. They are completely different types of RB's, but James also got plenty of yards after contact. The yardage shift happened because Neu started playing his recruit more. Again, I like Huntley, but if both are healthy, I'd much rather have Gilbert. I guess we were watching different players. Gilbert has decent speed for a RB, but he is not a burner. He definitely isn't "MUCH faster" as you claim. Solid all-around back though. Huntley's "blazing" speed was on full display yesterday, as he failed to turn the corner on multiple runs that Gilbert would have easily taken to the house. Again, I like Huntley, but Gilbert is in a different class. Their 40 times are about a half second apart (I know, those pesky facts), so if Gilbert isn't a burner as you say, then Huntley is incredibly slow.
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