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Post by bsu0 on Oct 20, 2019 10:18:49 GMT -6
Wait with the extention until the end of the regular season or until the required number of wins (5 or 6) are reached. Neu deserves that and that will afford him and his staff to go out and recruit the kind of athletes we need.
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Post by bsu0 on Oct 20, 2019 10:21:46 GMT -6
We don't want to make the ''Whit'' mistake with Neu. Remember even though we have made improvement it has been only three weeks. Let us not jump the gun. Let Neu show us how much progress he,the team and staff have made.
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Post by bsutony on Oct 20, 2019 10:28:09 GMT -6
With a couple more victories I wouldn’t mind seeing a 2 or 3 year extension, especially if that helps with recruiting. The results are ultimately what matter the most, but you have to consider that the players love Neu and that he loves Ball State. I don’t think we can do much better at Ball State, and if we could the coach would likely be gone in a year or two. I hope to see Neu in Muncie for a long time if this recent success continues.
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Post by bsu0 on Oct 20, 2019 10:45:31 GMT -6
I agree Tony. I love the idea of having a Ball State former player as a successful coach here for a long time. I thought that Neu would be a success when hired but I admit I had my doubts as many did. But the AD has played it right. The Athletic Dept. did not throw the baby out with the bath water. It appears that Neu is starting to break the coaches secret code of turning a program around and winning. At a school like Ball State with our history that is steep mountain to climb. The fight is not over yet but it sure looks different than three weeks ago.
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Post by david75bsu on Oct 20, 2019 11:15:19 GMT -6
When we beat Ohio an extension should be offered.
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Post by cardcat on Oct 20, 2019 12:05:36 GMT -6
All you Debbie Downer thunderclouds need to stop and smell the roses. Guess what, we have a great staff and football team! Enjoy it! Lock in an extension now!!! Neu has had positive and historic impact on this program as a coach despite a staggering lack of institutional support (not intentional, just a perfect storm IMO). What I see: -National exposure pushing Notre Dame to the wire. People are still talking about this. -Indoor training facility. A lot of folks made this happen no doubt, but Neu has to get some credit here. -Beer sales (had to get creative with revenue). See above, again not all credit but he should get some. -Knocking off NIU and Toledo. These are two traditional MAC juggernauts. -worked under TWO first year AD's -worked under THREE BSU Presidents - including the Ferguson mess in his first month here -His complete tenure has been under extreme financial scrutiny. I don't remember a time of such extended financial stress for higher education. -Putting together staff in extremely challenging situations with finances, facilities and sometimes seemingly impossibly short timelines -No sniveling, bitching or complaining. -Loyalty - everyone wanted him to lop of Joey and Dave's heads. Can you imagine the pressure he must have received from BSU admin, football alumni, boosters and the casual at Red Lobster? Jimmy's and Joe's beat X's and O's (at least 9 out of 10). They finally got the horses and system in place. If anyone hasn't noticed we are flying to the ball and smackin' mf'ers - but with discipline and adherence to scheme. The offense is flying high and has the most balanced arsenal I can remember. These coaches are talented but haven't been able to showcase it due to various constraints outside their control. Loyalty is paying off. It is contagious and the kids are buying in. They don't want these coaches going anywhere. The last two years have conjured up an image in my head of 3 ragged, shot-up gunslingers riding out together from the Last Chance Saloon, hell bent on completing some impossible do or die task. The longer this drags on the more recruiting is negatively impacted. There is a direct correlation between level of recruit and program success. Neu is finally going to have two critical tools that have been missing from his kit - an indoor facility and WINNING! Neither of these will matter to our high level recruits if the coaching staff isn't secure. Momentum is finally here, let's grab it and run!
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Oct 20, 2019 12:17:38 GMT -6
If all the supporters of immediate extension could also post how much they are pledging to fund the buy-out if the results don't hold I think that would be helpful.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 20, 2019 12:49:14 GMT -6
But who is lined up to pay Neu's buyout?
And besides, buy out is likely not in the BSU vocabulary.
The problem with allowing fear of a mistake to drive the decision is that failing to extend can be a bigger one.
Look at the bright side. Extension may involve suffering a mistake for fewer years than the alternative...
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Post by cardcat on Oct 20, 2019 12:54:11 GMT -6
If all the supporters of immediate extension could also post how much they are pledging to fund the buy-out if the results don't hold I think that would be helpful. Ridiculous.. what is your personal financial pledge to the BSU Head Coaching salary/package in any scenario.... ZERO. There is real possibility to making the MAC Championship, going bowling - and maybe winning our first bowl ever. What is your pledge to make up the difference of what we can sign Neu for now versus after any or all the above come true? It is a ridiculous question I know, just like yours. This is opinion board. I gave mine.
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Post by lmills72 on Oct 20, 2019 13:31:56 GMT -6
What is your pledge to make up the difference of what we can sign Neu for now versus after any or all the above come true? It is a ridiculous question I know, just like yours. So you are absolutely sure Neu will leave Ball State if he wins a championship or takes the team bowling?
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Post by cardcat on Oct 20, 2019 13:39:08 GMT -6
What is your pledge to make up the difference of what we can sign Neu for now versus after any or all the above come true? It is a ridiculous question I know, just like yours. So you are absolutely sure Neu will leave Ball State if he wins a championship or takes the team bowling? No. Where did I say that? I do think he commands more $$$ though and that the potential will be there for him to leave.
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Post by bsu0 on Oct 20, 2019 13:41:21 GMT -6
Does anyone know for sure what Neu's problem was with the Toledo head coach after the game was over at the hand shake? Did it have something to do with last year's yelling match at the end of the game?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 13:47:43 GMT -6
Realistically, this confirms just how bad Ball State Football has become. After a 14-29 coaching record, the optimistic fan base is clamoring for an immediate 2-3 year extension after beating 3 consecutive MAC opponents with a combined 3-6 conference record.
This is exactly why universities try and hire professionals to be Directors of Athletics. Admittedly, BSU track record in this category is lacking but I’m giving Beth some credit for the likelihood of making a decent business decision.
I’m thoroughly enjoying the present results and I’d hope Mike Neu appreciates the patience the current AD has shown for his Ball State performance.
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Post by lmills72 on Oct 20, 2019 14:04:08 GMT -6
So you are absolutely sure Neu will leave Ball State if he wins a championship or takes the team bowling? No. Where did I say that? I do think he commands more $$$ though and that the potential will be there for him to leave. It was clearly implied. You stated the price would go up after he wins a championship or takes a team bowling. The only way the price goes up is if Neu is willing to leave. There's no need to pay him more if he's not going anywhere. Sure, it's nice to reward coaches for jobs well done, but for all that Neu may have done for the university, the university has done plenty for him. My god, how many administrations would have put up with the long list of coaching mistakes he's made while learning on the job how to be a head coach. If he's marketable at all to other schools as a head coach after this season, he should bend over backward to thank Ball State for being patient with him.
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Post by cardcat on Oct 20, 2019 14:09:28 GMT -6
Realistically, this confirms just how bad Ball State Football has become. After a 14-29 coaching record, the optimistic fan base is clamoring for an immediate 2-3 year extension after beating 3 consecutive MAC opponents with a combined 3-6 conference record. This is exactly why universities try and hire professionals to be Directors of Athletics. Admittedly, BSU track record in this category is lacking but I’m giving Beth some credit for the likelihood of making a decent business decision. I’m thoroughly enjoying the present results and I’d hope Mike Neu appreciates the patience the current AD has shown for his Ball State performance. Yes, no doubt, BSU football reached the bottom or has only just hovered just above it for a painfully long time. Things are changing, in this case I prefer to roll the dice on Neu. I am actually usually very conservative on these things and thought Whits extension was a terrible idea. But, living in Lexington KY, I've seen the positive results of betting on the right guy and doubling up when required. There are some who would tell Neu at the end of his contract "See it wasn't so bad, you can do it with minimal resources - it's actually more rewarding and possesses more value than you could ever receive in payment. You're welcome, now let's keep it rolling"
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