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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Nov 7, 2019 12:12:14 GMT -6
We lost because Neu called for all passes on that final drive, even though we had 3 time outs and had been gaining big chunks running the ball.
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Post by cardfan on Nov 7, 2019 12:24:07 GMT -6
We lost because Neu called for all passes on that final drive, even though we had 3 time outs and had been gaining big chunks running the ball. That’s part of why I think we don’t win again. We coached panicked at that point and we’ll coach that way again. I’m betting we’d have gotten some decent runs there and set up play action when we needed it. We’d been dominating with the run. We threw all sense of how we could best operate out the window. Churn out a first down and suddenly you’ve got the defense on its heels. With 3 timeouts we should have been able to work our way to at least giving ourselves a chance. Conversely, had it been us who scored with a minute left we’d have been worried we scored too soon given how porous the D is. |
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Post by redbirdman on Nov 7, 2019 12:35:53 GMT -6
I am in agreement with cardfan & mcgurkin on that. I always think with the HC & OC having been QBs it's pass 1st when we are in trouble or their stressed.
I will say we are much better off that Riley Neal transferred. Plitt is a better QB than Neal.
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Post by lmills72 on Nov 7, 2019 17:13:17 GMT -6
We lost because Neu called for all passes on that final drive, even though we had 3 time outs and had been gaining big chunks running the ball. I thought we were told that Joey was calling all the plays this year. |
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Post by cardfan on Nov 7, 2019 17:18:40 GMT -6
We lost because Neu called for all passes on that final drive, even though we had 3 time outs and had been gaining big chunks running the ball. I thought we were told that Joey was calling all the plays this year. We were. Who knows. |
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Post by CallingBS on Nov 7, 2019 17:35:58 GMT -6
What OU did last night was so BSU-ish. They worked extremely hard to push a sellout, actually made it happen, and then proceeded to lay a big stinky terd on the field. Straight outta the BSU play book.
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Post by cardfan on Nov 7, 2019 17:44:05 GMT -6
What OU did last night was so BSU-ish. They worked extremely hard to push a sellout, actually made it happen, and then proceeded to lay a big stinky terd on the field. Straight outta the BSU play book. We’ve set the standard that others now follow. |
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Post by bsutony on Nov 7, 2019 23:58:16 GMT -6
Come on guys. You can’t run the ball when you need a TD with only 1 minute left. We had 75 yards to go. I don’t know any coach that would run the ball in that situation. The problem was the execution.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 8, 2019 2:45:09 GMT -6
We lost because Neu called for all passes on that final drive, even though we had 3 time outs and had been gaining big chunks running the ball. I thought we were told that Joey was calling all the plays this year. The star press writer told me the he asked Neu and Neu said Joey was calling the plays |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 5:27:55 GMT -6
I thought we were told that Joey was calling all the plays this year. The star press writer told me the he asked Neu and Neu said Joey was calling the plays Well, when you’re jobs on the line, you go with what got you there. |
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Post by CallingBS on Nov 8, 2019 7:56:28 GMT -6
Come on guys. You can’t run the ball when you need a TD with only 1 minute left. We had 75 yards to go. I don’t know any coach that would run the ball in that situation. The problem was the execution. I couldn't disagree more. Rich Skrosky would also disagree with you given the circumstances. We gashed them the entire second half with the run. We had three timeouts. The clock stops with first downs to reset. We couldn't have run the entire possession, but we could have mixed some in. They were sitting way back. The other problem is that our OLine's pass blocking seems to be getting worse with every passing moment. |
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Post by bsutony on Nov 8, 2019 9:32:35 GMT -6
Come on guys. You can’t run the ball when you need a TD with only 1 minute left. We had 75 yards to go. I don’t know any coach that would run the ball in that situation. The problem was the execution. I couldn't disagree more. Rich Skrosky would also disagree with you given the circumstances. We gashed them the entire second half with the run. We had three timeouts. The clock stops with first downs to reset. We couldn't have run the entire possession, but we could have mixed some in. They were sitting way back. The other problem is that our OLine's pass blocking seems to be getting worse with every passing moment. We had great success running in the 2nd half, but its not like we were getting 10 yards every run. If you get stopped short of a first down you have to call a timeout immediately. If we had 2 to 3 minutes I would agree with you, but 95% of coaches would only pass in that situation with only 1 minute left. |
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Post by cardfan on Nov 8, 2019 9:46:19 GMT -6
I think one draw play in there on second down would have gotten enough yardage to get us a little momentum. Not saying run run run. Wmu was pinned back to pass rush and play the deep routes and we didn’t handle it all. Catching them off guard may have been worth it in hindsight. Just a nice gain to jumpstart us and find some rhythm. Of course if the d could have at least forced a FG instead of getting gashed for a TD....
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Post by CallingBS on Nov 8, 2019 16:10:26 GMT -6
I couldn't disagree more. Rich Skrosky would also disagree with you given the circumstances. We gashed them the entire second half with the run. We had three timeouts. The clock stops with first downs to reset. We couldn't have run the entire possession, but we could have mixed some in. They were sitting way back. The other problem is that our OLine's pass blocking seems to be getting worse with every passing moment. We had great success running in the 2nd half, but its not like we were getting 10 yards every run. If you get stopped short of a first down you have to call a timeout immediately. If we had 2 to 3 minutes I would agree with you, but 95% of coaches would only pass in that situation with only 1 minute left. We're not that far apart. I'm suggesting a couple of runs mixed in would have loosened their pass rush. Also, we got more than 10 yards many runs in the second half. Heck, we averaged 7.5 per carry on 27 carries in the 2nd half, and that includes sacks and a couple of botched plays. We averaged 9.5 yards per rush in the 4Q, and again, that includes sacks and at least one messed up play. Keeping in mind that they were playing extremely loose, I think popping off a couple of 15-20 yard runs would have been a very reasonable projected outcome. Rich Skrosky was a master at doing this. Remember the game on election night where we came back and won at Toledo? He used exactly the strategy I'm suggesting above. Of course Edwards was a late-game stud and so were Wenning and our WR's, so there's that. The other thing that killed us was the one drive in the 4Q when we were rolling, but killed the drive with a series of bad calls, leading to a loss of possession on downs. Did you all realize WMU did not punt the entire game? Finally, we had a LOT of penalties, which has been a Neu trademark. The kids fought hard, but I think we were grossly outcoached. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Nov 11, 2019 8:44:53 GMT -6
On the drive before that last drive, here are the plays and the results:
1st & 10 at BALL 24
(5:07 - 4th) Caleb Huntley run for 16 yds to the BalSt 40 for a 1ST down
1st & 10 at BALL 40
(4:38 - 4th) Caleb Huntley run for 7 yds to the BalSt 47
2nd & 3 at BALL 47
(4:22 - 4th) Caleb Huntley run for 32 yds to the WMich 21 for a 1ST down
1st & 10 at WMU 14
(4:02 - 4th) Walter Fletcher run for 7 yds to the WMich 14 for a 1ST down WESTRN MICHIGAN Penalty, Unsportsmanlike Conduct (Treshaun Hayward) to the WMich 7 for a 1ST down
1st & Goal at WMU 7
(3:34 - 4th) Walter Fletcher run for 3 yds to the WMich 4
2nd & Goal at WMU 4
(3:24 - 4th) Walter Fletcher run for 4 yds for a TD, (Ryan Rimmler KICK)
All that took 1:43 to execute. With timeouts, and a couple of passing downs, it would have been pretty easy to do this with WMU in a prevent defense. Unfortunately, we couldn't keep Plitt from pressure on each pass play, and we ended up with this:
1st & 10 at BALL 29
(0:57 - 4th) Drew Plitt pass incomplete to Walter Fletcher
2nd & 10 at BALL 29
(0:50 - 4th) Drew Plitt pass incomplete to Walter Fletcher
3rd & 10 at BALL 29
(0:43 - 4th) Drew Plitt pass incomplete to Walter Fletcher
4th & 10 at BALL 29
(0:34 - 4th) Drew Plitt pass complete to Nolan Givan for 5 yds to the BalSt 34
We complete a 5 yard pass on 4th down, when we needed 10. WTAF?
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