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Post by CallingBS on Dec 11, 2019 11:44:42 GMT -6
The bigger issue that article helps bring to light is the amount of money these programs have at their disposal. Big Ten TV revenues are now $54mm per year. Yes, you read that right. MAC TV revenues are, um, well, on the negative side once you figure in cost of doing business. That's why I keep beating the drum that mid majors, especially the MAC, can't continue this charade. That’s 54 million per school per year. Correct.
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Post by CallingBS on Dec 11, 2019 11:47:01 GMT -6
The bigger issue that article helps bring to light is the amount of money these programs have at their disposal. Big Ten TV revenues are now $54mm per year. Yes, you read that right. MAC TV revenues are, um, well, on the negative side once you figure in cost of doing business. That's why I keep beating the drum that mid majors, especially the MAC, can't continue this charade. .....but many of our followers have shown that they would be tremendously disappointed if we didn’t field a perennial losing FBS program at the expense of our other athletic teams. collegefootballnews.com/2019/07/college-football-attendance-rankings-no-1-130-2019-cfn-five-year-program-analysisDead freaking last.
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Post by realitycheck on Dec 11, 2019 11:47:15 GMT -6
That’s 54 million per school per year. Correct. You are correct that I am correct. Sorry just trying to stack some posts to get to 1000.
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Post by realitycheck on Dec 11, 2019 11:50:33 GMT -6
Oh my goodness...I just clicked on this. That is loathsome. Here's even worse news. Those are inflated numbers. Those are tickets sold not butts-in-seats.
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Post by bsutony on Dec 11, 2019 12:10:39 GMT -6
Oh my goodness...I just clicked on this. That is loathsome. Here's even worse news. Those are inflated numbers. Those are tickets sold not butts-in-seats. And includes the attendance from the IU game at Lucas Oil.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 11, 2019 12:14:08 GMT -6
Oh my goodness...I just clicked on this. That is loathsome. Here's even worse news. Those are inflated numbers. Those are tickets sold not butts-in-seats. Not just inflated that way, but includes students. Not exactly sold. Although if nobody came as a student, it might be hard even for university administrators to use student fees to the extent we do.
AND, it reflects sales at our rock bottom ticket prices.
If we ranked schools by football ticket revenue we might be even lower. Oh. Wait, we can't be lower...
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 11, 2019 12:16:13 GMT -6
Oh my goodness...I just clicked on this. That is loathsome. Here's even worse news. Those are inflated numbers. Those are tickets sold not butts-in-seats. And includes the attendance from the IU game at Lucas Oil. Good point...although some points to administration for the scheduling.
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Post by thebsukid on Dec 11, 2019 13:39:36 GMT -6
I totally agree on football, and as I recall years ago the General was strongly suggesting this principal and he was correct!
In basketball you can build a program with the right environment, and Coaching....Gonzaga, Butler, Dayton, San Diego State, etc
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Dec 11, 2019 13:48:12 GMT -6
21,437 at Lucas Oil for the IU game. Noon kickoff.
Last time there, in 2011, we got 40k. 7pm kickoff.
Draw your own conclusions on why the attendance was so poor this time.
For this past season we averaged 13,497, going by the attendance reported in the box scores. Still bad, but better than the past few years.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 13:49:42 GMT -6
Oh my goodness...I just clicked on this. That is loathsome. Here's even worse news. Those are inflated numbers. Those are tickets sold not butts-in-seats. And includes the attendance from the IU game at Lucas Oil. It's an article from July, 2019. Unless Nostradamus was the author, it does not include the IU game at Lucas Oil. How about EMU's rise to 13k a game? Pretty impressive.
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Post by david75bsu on Dec 11, 2019 17:09:35 GMT -6
More proof that the MAC is not and does not belong in the FBS division of college football.
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Post by bsutony on Dec 11, 2019 22:25:34 GMT -6
And includes the attendance from the IU game at Lucas Oil. It's an article from July, 2019. Unless Nostradamus was the author, it does not include the IU game at Lucas Oil. How about EMU's rise to 13k a game? Pretty impressive. I assumed it was in regards to this year. I doubt we were dead last this year even though attendance was poor late in the year. I don’t care what anyone says, EMU is dead last in actual attendance. 13k? More like 1-2k.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 5:49:11 GMT -6
NCAA hasn’t released 2019 numbers yet.
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 12, 2019 10:07:25 GMT -6
Miami losses to Ohio State 76-5, than wins the MAC. No MAC team will ever win a football national championship, probably never make Top Ten. We need to drop down to FCS, at minimum. Their are times when FCS schools make Top 25. FCS schools also play FBS schools, Indiana State has played Indiana and Purdue and others. FCS schools also have all their games are broadcast on the ESPN channels. Let’s give up the joke of being FBS. WE DON’t EVEN WIN THE SMALL BOWL GAMES ANY MORE and we have never won a bowl game. More than likely the choice not to participate at the FBS level will change in the next few years. Give the last round of realignment and the great 4 team playoff time to settle in and someone to not make enough money and there’ll be some changes. I wouldn’t be surprised if the new FBS would streamline to four divisions/conferences to reinforce the playoff format and the teams/conferences that aren’t the big draws will be on the outside of it all. I see things like this suggested from time to time, i.e. that somebody is going to step in a kick the MAC out of FBS. But why would they go to the trouble? The MAC is obviously not siphoning off any of the power schools' revenue. Why should the power schools care that MAC football loses > $100 million every year? If the MAC wants to continue the charade of FBS, it's not hurting anybody except the MAC school students paying the fees and state taxpayers paying into the general funds.
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 12, 2019 10:41:37 GMT -6
I don't thing anything is going to happen to MAC football in the foreseeable future. MAC football has its hands firm and deep into the pockets of students and taxpayers. If anything ever does happen, I think it will be the doing of some MAC president with a sense of responsibility towards the students and a big pair of brass balls. Currently all the MAC administrations are leaning against each other with the "MAC means having football and where would he go if we left the MAC?" argument. This argument, plus the fact that most people have no idea how much money football really loses, is what keeps MAC football propped up.
If you get one principled MAC president with some conscience and guts laying out the numbers and taking a stand of behalf of their students, all of a sudden the other presidents have to start answering the question "we spend HOW MUCH on football? and get WHAT?", and then maybe the MAC football house of cards collapses.
But people typically don't rise through the ranks of college administrations by being fiscally responsible...or by having a sense of responsibility and balls. Thus the ever-rising costs of college. You get an occasional oddball, though, like Mitch Daniels.
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