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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 8:16:45 GMT -6
Very encouraged by our play over first 25-30 mins. After that we reverted to old bad habits, forced things, bad shots, turned it over, etc. If we can bottle how we played early we got something. Still zero bench though. At least we started good. We usually dig a six foot hole and crawl 5’11” out of it.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 23, 2019 8:18:05 GMT -6
I thought we played about as well as we can play, which is good and bad. We play this way in the MAC, we'll win a fair number of games, be competitive. Unfortunately, IMO, this is the best it gets. Last night was an example of a good Whit-coached team and we couldn't get within 20 points of a top 25 team on a neutral floor. This is our level ... at best. I don't think so. This was not our best game. We made way too many bone head plays, did not shoot well for enough of the game to say we were close to our best.
And certainly, this was not the best it can get, and not really close to the best performance by a recent team.
The team on the floor that beat ND would have won this game. And the team that beat Buffalo at their place would have won this game. And maybe the team that beat IUPUI or Georgia Tech this year would have had a chance.
Yes, we cannot consistently match up in talent with a top 25 team. Yes, the best we can do is at our level best is win an occasional game against good teams. We are a mid major.
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Post by david75bsu on Dec 23, 2019 8:19:46 GMT -6
We played good/decent ball for almost thirty minutes. Our problem is depth, an area I thought would be our strength. Our 6’10” players give us nothing. I thought the two should be rotating at center. Thomas, nothing and I thought he’d be rotating with Mallers. Guard play has improved some this year, though Bum’ needs to hit more of his shots. Washington also lacked depth, but with two legit lottery draft players, they were the better team. It will be interesting to see how we finish the tournament. Hoping for a win or two. UTEP is a good team with good depth and length - could spell trouble for the Cards. I’ll watch the replay tomorrow morning at a decent time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 8:46:20 GMT -6
As I stated earlier in the thread, this was the best I had seen in terms of moving the ball and getting good shots.
Washington is as good a team as we will play and there is no way we can compete against athletic big guys.
Question is: What happened? Did Washington adjust? Did we get tired with our limited depth? Did we have the wrong player combinations for too long? Did Teague’s foul trouble limit his effectiveness?........Our Head coach and staff need to decipher this and that is where my confidence from last night wanes.
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Post by CallingBS on Dec 23, 2019 9:25:18 GMT -6
Question is: What happened? Did Washington adjust? Did we get tired with our limited depth? Did we have the wrong player combinations for too long? Did Teague’s foul trouble limit his effectiveness?........Our Head coach and staff need to decipher this and that is where my confidence from last night wanes. The switch from zone to man-to-man is where things dramatically changed. In the beginning Washington tested our outside shooting by pretty much letting us hoist them up mostly uncontested. We answered that call for the most part. The switch to man was a different story. We don't handle ball pressure well at all because we don't have a true PG on the entire roster and we really don't handle the ball very well as a team. We started missing shots late in the first half. We made a little run at the beginning of the second half largely because Washington started getting sloppy with the ball. Hopkins called a timeout, and we wilted under the ball pressure but also had a lot of unforced turnovers after that. Teague played really well under extreme foul trouble, but no doubt his foul situation hurt us, and I really don't think it was by accident that he got those phantom foul calls. The other problem for us going on 7 years now is that we just refuse to close out on 3-point shooters. At this level guys are going to make more than they miss if they are wide open all the time. IMO it has consistently been one of the huge flaws of Whitford's program. In all, our defensive intensity is not that of a championship team. BTW, our bench was pretty much awful all night. I'd say we played well the first 10 minutes of the first half and the first 5 minutes of the second half. Given our January and February swoons every year, I'd say your waning confidence is justified.
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Post by Hoopsmith on Dec 23, 2019 10:12:29 GMT -6
Washington was very beatable last night, but we started being very careless with the ball with about 15 minutes to go and it was over in a hurry. Washington will get better as their freshmen continue to mature. Teague was really solid. IMO he got screwed over by the refs. I didn't think any of his 4 fouls were legit, and he got hammered many times with no call. I'm not sure what to make of us. At times we looked pretty decent last night, but at other times we looked awful. Most of our good play was against their zone. We won't see much zone the rest of the year. EMU plays a zone, but it's the type that will give our lack of ballhandling fits. Why is it that we refuse to close out on three point shots? Washington wasn't known as a good 3-point shooting team, but when you leave players of that caliber wide open they are going to hit. My thoughts are a mashup of everyone else's; I thought we played pretty well in stretches, but all in all, only for about 20 minutes. That might keep us in the game with a shot to win against an Evansville or NKU, but won't do against good teams. If we can play well in MAC games, we'll be ...okay. The foul shooting and outside shooting was much-improved, but we went cold right when we had a chance to get back in the game. If we can get better throughout the year rather than the other way around, we could be dangerous in-conference, but we're not yet consistent enough to survive Cleveland.
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Post by lmills72 on Dec 23, 2019 18:29:46 GMT -6
I thought we played about as well as we can play, which is good and bad. We play this way in the MAC, we'll win a fair number of games, be competitive. Unfortunately, IMO, this is the best it gets. Last night was an example of a good Whit-coached team and we couldn't get within 20 points of a top 25 team on a neutral floor. This is our level ... at best. I don't think so. This was not our best game. We made way too many bone head plays, did not shoot well for enough of the game to say we were close to our best.
And certainly, this was not the best it can get, and not really close to the best performance by a recent team.
The team on the floor that beat ND would have won this game. And the team that beat Buffalo at their place would have won this game. And maybe the team that beat IUPUI or Georgia Tech this year would have had a chance.
Yes, we cannot consistently match up in talent with a top 25 team. Yes, the best we can do is at our level best is win an occasional game against good teams. We are a mid major.
You're just looking at our stats. I'm looking at the competition. The Ball State team on the court last night WAS the team the beat IUPUI and Georgia Tech; they were just playing against a better team. We made bonehead plays and didn't shoot well mostly because our competition was better. Better competition pressures you into bonehead plays and to take forced/contested shots that don't go in as often. And I think you're off base if you think the team that beat ND would have won last night. Oh, I think they would have made it closer. Persons would have seen to that, and our depth was better then. ND was ranked higher at the time, but all ND really had was a few marginal NBA talents (career G leaguers or overseas player - everybody's all-American Bonzi Colson now starring in Turkey). Washington has better talent. I'd agree our ceiling is slightly higher than how we played last night, and that's only if/when Bumbalough begins hitting at a higher percentage. That is unless Whit is waiting to unveil those secret weapons on the bench. Playing the rest of the season at the level we played at last night (if we can) will allow us to be competitive or win our next two games in Hawaii and be very competitive in the MAC, at least as competitive as we've been the past couple of years. We WILL LOOK like we play better against the lesser teams in the MAC; we will shoot better and turn the ball over less. But, this is our level. This is where Whit has had us for several years. It's where we live.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 23, 2019 18:41:57 GMT -6
Yes, this team. The team that played better in several games, which you seem to ignore or think not possible. That team that beat ND played well, too. But not always. That night, that team, they'd beat Washington.
There's the point maybe. Teams (even Washington) don't always play well. Can't judge them by any single game
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Post by lmills72 on Dec 23, 2019 19:01:24 GMT -6
Yes, this team. That played better in several games, which you seem to ignore or think not possible. That team that beat ND played well. But not always, too. That night they'd beat Washington. There's the point maybe. Teams (even Washington) don't always play well. Can't judge them by any single game So in which games do you think they played better, and why? And, do you even consider the level of competition they are playing against?
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