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Post by 00hmh on Aug 18, 2021 18:27:44 GMT -6
My wife is 40 year RN; she says keys are mask, and hand washing!! Of course, the vaccine as well. With delta it's distancing plus N95 masks. We could get by with less mask, closer quarters. This version produces 1000 times the viral material exhaled. Hand washing was always secondary, now much less significant even.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 18, 2021 18:57:21 GMT -6
The difference is showing up in schools where kids last year were much better off.
Ito a worse virus and we're doing less mitigation.
I doubt we'll act in time to really do much about kids. Maybe we can't?
Trouble in the general population is coming unless we quarantine them more strictly, or get the adults vaccinated who they are around them.
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Post by thebsukid on Aug 18, 2021 20:53:14 GMT -6
But Delta is much less deadly; it’s like the flu for most
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Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 18, 2021 21:30:03 GMT -6
But Delta is much less deadly; it’s like the flu for most I think it's less deadly for those who are vaccinated. I think another factor is Healthcare has learned how to treat it better in general. I don't think Delta is any weaker though. Schools are a mess right now and the kids are bringing it home to the parents. I'm pretty sure almost everyone I know probably has delta right now. Unless we have all developed allergies since the start of school. Now no one is really sick a little sore throat and cold/flu-like systems but most have vaccinated. The one friend that has not been felt like he was on his deathbed last week.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 19, 2021 6:21:03 GMT -6
Yeah, it's stupid to have casualties at all that are avoidable though.
But it's not as bad overall as earlier since we have the most vulnerable vaccinated.
IF we can avoid more deadly variation...
We still have a chance to get more and more vaccinated eventually. Can hope some worse new variation doesn't take off before we impose enough mitigation and develop a new vaccine.
THAT would be a bigger problem than delta.
Every one of those mild infections carries the risk of incubating a variant. And passing it on. If based on delta very transmissible, maybe more resistañt to vaccine and existing treatment.
It's Russian roulette. Lower odds, but too many people taking a turn to not worry.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 19, 2021 8:01:36 GMT -6
But Delta is much less deadly; it’s like the flu for most That is not true. The less deadly part. It is just as deadly for those not vaccinated.
There is maybe slightly more risk for the young people. The issue is it seems almost impossible to adequately mitigate risk in schools. The only way would be GREATER distance and better masks. The distance is a space constraint in school rooms plus the very great difficulty of avoiding mixing and keeping kids separated.
The mask constraint could be overcome and would help. N95 all the time in the classroom would probably work, but that is a difficult thing to do as well. Cloth masks and surgical masks help but not nearly as much as last year, since the viral load in each exhale may be 1000 times greater.
Outside activity is pretty safe still, but more dangerous than last year.
I hate remote learning enough and think kids need to be in class. We should not give up mitigation, but I don't have much hope we can avoid some problems except more quarantine and testing to try to detect the almost inevitable. Parents and others outside school who the kids are in contact with have to be MUCH more careful than last year if not vaccinated. Parents who may have low level breakthrough infection have to be more careful.
Have to watch like hawks for additional even more dangerous variants.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Aug 19, 2021 10:35:28 GMT -6
Remember when a vaccine meant you wouldn't get the disease if you were vaccinated? It's not like people got vaccinated against polio, but still got "polio-lite" and were crippled in just ONE leg....
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 19, 2021 10:57:20 GMT -6
Remember when a vaccine meant you wouldn't get the disease if you were vaccinated? It's not like people got vaccinated against polio, but still got "polio-lite" and were crippled in just ONE leg.... Some did get vaccine and (rarely) still suffered. 4 doses was full vaccination. 2 doses 90% effective. But then, nearly everyone got polio vaccine and that made a difference too.
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Post by thebsukid on Sept 11, 2021 11:06:20 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 11, 2021 11:38:49 GMT -6
Yeah, we need to do two things:
1. Get our unvaccinated population vaccinated. With delta variant it may take 90%+ with strong antibodies. We have too many who are not concerned and even if they are asymptomatic they are passing the virus on to others.
2. Worry about our elderly and/or immune suppressed population. Evidence is that vaccine effectiveness is waning or was never quite as strong as needed in those groups. So they should be more careful and likely need a 3rd dose. Stay away from those grandkids who aren't yet eligible or have them mask up! (BTW get your flu vaccine and consider masking up routinely again if this current surge doesn't tail off before cold weather)
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