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Post by bbfantastic on Jan 31, 2016 10:30:45 GMT -6
Good analysis 00hmh. I agree with most off what you said. Comparing Weber to Sellers I believe Weber may be a more pure shooter but Sellers may be more a scorer. Sellers can get to the basket. Sellers gets more loose balls, seems to be a better defender, hustles more, takes the charge, etc Okay I will weigh in here. We need them both and need them both to be good every game in order to be contenders. Neither one is going to play 40 minutes. I don't see where Sellers has done more drives to the basket and finishes at the rim this year. He shot three shots last night, all 3 pointers. The last two was with the game decided so was the opposing defense really trying to stop him? Weber has had three tough games shooting but worked to get shots for others and made a lot of good passes. We were undermanned against those opponents on the inside so where would they concentrate their defense to make sure we couldn't beat them? They took away our best shooter. The team has to figure out how to get our shooters open even when the other team is double teaming them. Sellers played in all three games as well and except for his shooting last night was not a stand out. Just being honest as to what I have observed.
I think they both need to get better on defense. Neither is a standout to me in that regard.
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Post by proctorp on Jan 31, 2016 11:04:05 GMT -6
There are no doubts we are better and we do not fold like teams in the past, but we are not athletic enough yet to be contenders. Kent and Akron are very athletic. I like Reevo's recruiting analysis---we need 'junkyard dogs' on the inside and not finese players. As for this:"They took away our best shooter. The team has to figure out how to get our shooters open even when the other team is double teaming them." We do not hold a screen for anything. Standing tough on a screen would help our shooters but we do not. Not telling the whole arena where you are passing the ball out of a double team would also help. Coach Whit has done a good job of instilling a never quit attitude in our team but we are woeful on a lot of fundamentals...screening and passing are two obvious skills we lack. I just want a BSU team to finish the month of February tough. We are all schooled as BSU fans to know that has been the toughest month of any of the past 10 seasons. Steal a couple road games but defend the homecourt.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 31, 2016 11:19:43 GMT -6
Actually we need a point guard, an athletic wing who can shoot, and a big man in this class. Whitford has appx 8 weeks to pull a rabbit here or it becomes a serious issue, regardless of your decade long just wait until next year forecasts. As-a-aside pulling a quality big as a transfer or JUCO is typically harder than recruiting out of high school. A big man I agree is a priority. The very good athletic wing is of course what everyone wants, too. Not as urgent, though. If if we do find a player who can drive the ball, he can be a guard or a forward. PG is much less a priority. While we can use guard depth long term, we have two good Sophomore guards, Persons who will be in that class, and we have Smith returning next year. Need at guard this year is much less urgent. Big man is the area we need most help, after that it is best player available. Getting good ready to play big players anywhere is hard. JUCO or HS. But an instant impact high school player who plays up front is VERY hard, everyone is recruiting him. If we can find a kid like Jones or another under the radar kid, great. Not sure that is easier to do though, it just isn't likely they can play right away. The JUCO route is more likely to produce what we need which is a guy ready to play, even if he doesn't need to have all that much upside. We got a good one a few years ago. JUCO big men will be kids who developed late, had academic trouble, wanted to play at a big school, hoped JUCO would give them that option. Big schools occasionally go that route to fill a hole, but generally have good big kids from HS who are waiting to play. So, I disagree it is more likely or easier and we can expect to get a starter quality, or good reserve big man out of high school. There are handful like that who come into the MAC. Far more likely a good MAC HS recruit is a guy who the big schools overlook and he needs a couple of years to start or play big minutes.
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on Jan 31, 2016 11:24:27 GMT -6
Speaking of "junk yard dogs". Remember Shawn Parrish? That's the kind of addition that would be great to have.
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Post by cardsfan606 on Jan 31, 2016 11:51:44 GMT -6
I think a lot of people on here forget about persons. Was an Indiana all star his senior year of high school and was the A-Sun freshman of the year. And the kid has been noted saying he likes the school and loves where the program is heading. Hes got a fire to him and he's going to work his ass off, he already is. Not putting all of my chips in on him yet but got a good feeling he could solve a lot of our problems next year. Is Persons a PG? It's good to see some optimism for the Cards fans. For too many years there was no optimism, just gloom and doom. We can collectively see the progress Coach Whit has made. Yes, unless for some crazy reason they try to move him to the 2 he should be our pg next year.
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Post by thebsukid on Jan 31, 2016 12:05:30 GMT -6
I agree with what was just said but Weber's hustle tends to wane when he's not scoring!! He can not get to the rim like Sellers. Yes, Sellers has not done it in the last few games but earlier in the season he was driving more than taking the outside shot. Sellers will take the charge and is a better defender in my view. You are absolutely right that we need them both to contribute if we are going to win.
Also, far to many turnovers from the # 3 spot!!!
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Post by david75bsu on Jan 31, 2016 12:16:58 GMT -6
I strongly disagree that we will be just above average next season...we're basically by most accounts in the middle of DIV I rankings now...I do agree that Akron is very good but why do several underestimate Moses...he has played quite well for a true Freshman...time will tell but with Moses continued growth added with a bigger Teague will add a lot next year, along with Persons will help take us up another notch. Several said we would be lucky to win 9-12 total games this year, and that Whit might be on the hot seat....wrong!! Now thats its clear we will eclipse 15 and will more likely win 17-20 its still not good enough for many albeit a giant stride forward. I would say we are in the top six teams in the MAC and next year we should be able to put more than 20 wins up... Words will not decide on this board who is right and who is wrong only results will... I happen to agree with this assessment more than others I have read. This team has played hard and has already exceeded most expectations. The coach and staff have shown the ability to grow athletes - something we have not seen for a number of years. While I was disappointed in the Akron loss there was a lot of fight in this team. And getting it down to three late was impressive. I'm looking for a good finish. I also can see next year getting better. But we still need better point guard play and some bigs to take on Akron and Kent. We need some "Big Dogs" but recruiting has significantly improved and should only get better as the wins keep going up.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 31, 2016 12:17:49 GMT -6
Speaking of "junk yard dogs". Remember Shawn Parrish? That's the kind of addition that would be great to have. I remember him as a kid who could hit a shot, good all around player, and a prototype product of Indiana high school basketball.
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Post by proctorp on Jan 31, 2016 12:30:21 GMT -6
Speaking of "junk yard dogs". Remember Shawn Parrish? That's the kind of addition that would be great to have. I remember him as a kid who could hit a shot, good all around player, and a prototype product of Indiana high school basketball. He was one of the toughest players we have ever had...gritty and always aggressive.
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Post by lmills72 on Jan 31, 2016 12:39:27 GMT -6
While I think everyone would love an immediate impact front-court player, the reality is this staff has struck out in that regard going the non-conventional JUCO/grad student route. Gill doesn't play. Wells is an 8-minute a game spaceholder if someone gets in foul trouble or needs a breather, which gives him a certain amount of value but he's clearly not an impact player.
At least Moses has promise and Teague ... well ... who knows what Teague will be, but if he's at least the level of player Moses is (if not quite the same type of player), then our recruiting history with this staff leads me to believe we have better connections at the high school level than we do at the JUCO level.
That's why I'm disappointed that we didn't sign a high school big for the 2016 class. We are in a position now that we likely won't be worse next year if we can find a way to replace Bo, and I think we can. So ... while an impact big would be great, if we had just signed another Moses, I would have more confidence in our long-term front-court solutions than I do in the staff picking up an impact JUCO or international player.
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on Jan 31, 2016 13:06:27 GMT -6
Shawn was. Juco out of Vincennes. Not a real big guy but had a nose for the ball and got us numerous offensive rebounds and put backs.
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Post by cardsfan606 on Jan 31, 2016 14:43:25 GMT -6
Finding another kid like majok would be a god send
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 31, 2016 16:50:34 GMT -6
... while an impact big would be great, if we had just signed another Moses, I would have more confidence in our long-term front-court solutions than I do in the staff picking up an impact JUCO or international player. That makes some sense. If we don't get help that can play right away, doesn't have to be high impact, I'll not be happy. Without a decent big man, we'd play a little too small and not be at all deep next year. If that happens, we could well be looking at projects from HS, and not really good prospects. We don't know who is on the recruiting list right now for sure. I gotta bet there are some good big guys, but we have no guarantee we sign what we want. Best case, we could pick up both, a decent big player for next year and another intended to develop and play a bigger role later. Of course, worst case, we might end up scrambling to get one or the other... Best bet on this year's recruiting is we are in suspense quite late in the recruiting season.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 31, 2016 17:00:34 GMT -6
Finding another kid like majok would be a god send Whitford really wished he had two more years to work with the kid. That's why I don't rule out recruiting a JUCO who might be very raw as a project. Could be VERY good after a red shirt year. Majok was quite good enough to play right away, start for most MAC teams. But a kid with less experience, maybe younger, but a very good athlete just learning basketball in JC, might well need a development year, and be worth it, plus pay off faster than a raw freshman needing a red shirt. I have to think Whitford wants to be very good next year, and the year following and then move on to greener pastures. But I want him to be thinking program building not just fastest good result in 4 years, too.
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Post by williamtsherman on Jan 31, 2016 17:12:09 GMT -6
Well then he had better either sign a quality big kid this spring, or else start spending 6 hours a day fixing whatever Teague's deficiencies are. Because, as it stands now, Kent, Akron and such teams will continue to pound us, and we'll only have a chance to beat them when a lot of other things go just right simultaneously.
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