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Post by cardfan on May 17, 2016 14:20:25 GMT -6
A couple of thoughts:
1.) I think this was premature 2.) The extension was too long 3.) Our record this year was inflated by a weak schedule 4.) Our h.s recruits have been good and our Juco's/transfers have not 5.) Frontline recruiting has been below average 6.) We lack a playmaking guard after four years of recruiting 7.) We have finished the season with a thud the first three years of the Whit era
I hope but doubt that there is some parachute in the agreement that doesn't guarantee the final two years in case the train runs off the track. That said, I sincerely hope we are tremendously successful. I want BSU to not just win consistently, but dominate and attract the kind of talent that will bring us multiple championships. So far, I have not seen that kind of talent or coaching to warrant that level of optimism. But he's our coach and this is my team so I have no choice but to support them...until tomorrow of course. Everything in a nutshell.
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Post by bsu1 on May 17, 2016 14:46:02 GMT -6
I was for the extension with a raise. Surprised by the length. I thought the preseason opponents were weak to inflate the record but surprisingly it taught our players to win and it showed in the MAC.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 15:07:33 GMT -6
I was for the extension with a raise. Surprised by the length. I thought the preseason opponents were weak to inflate the record but surprisingly it taught our players to win and it showed in the MAC. Is that why we finished sixth.
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Post by sag on May 17, 2016 15:22:25 GMT -6
That is opinion is a little silly. Whitford has not at any point blamed anything for anything. Strikes me he took a tough job on, hasn't hesitated to say where the going has been tough, and is realistic about whether he or any coach always makes optimum decisions, would probably do a few things differently. Besides that what is silly is I doubt any recruit would expect an extension before now. I thought it was a possibility it would happen if he had a good year, probably would not happen. If we want the best chance for a good class next year, it has some logic to it, and of course it has pluses and minuses. Just because he hasn't stated it publicly doesn't mean he didn't use it as leverage to gain this extension. There is no other explanation for this decision. The implication here is that Sandy is not his own man and can't make big boy decisions and that Whitford is pulling the wool over his eyes with manipulative techniques that only you are aware of. Did you conduct a seance? I prefer to live in the real world.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 15:51:06 GMT -6
Just because he hasn't stated it publicly doesn't mean he didn't use it as leverage to gain this extension. There is no other explanation for this decision. The implication here is that Sandy is not his own man and can't make big boy decisions and that Whitford is pulling the wool over his eyes with manipulative techniques that only you are aware of. Did you conduct a seance? I prefer to live in the real world. Ummmmmmmmmm..........................No one implied Sandy was manipulated or that he doesn't think for himself. What has been stated is he made a somewhat bizarre and premature decision.
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Post by 00hmh on May 17, 2016 16:08:49 GMT -6
Of the seven points above, 3 through 7 are facts. Maybe slight quibble on 6. But I am not sure whether any of the are that critically important if you are betting we win with what we have.
About the other two points, it is reasonable to argue it either way on the first. I tend to think an extension was a good idea, I am not so sure about the length and believe Sandy thinks a failure to be a top coach in the MAC is a not very likely.
Obviously many here disagree. I think it unlikely he is some kind of abject failure, but there is some risk that we regret the length of the extension.
Where the real debate is, RIP Sherman, is whether we are committed to winning and at what level. Here's what I think:
1. Wanting global domination without very high financial commitment in coaching hires is not going to happen.
2. Making a very high financial commitment is not an option.
3. Consistently winning by recycling bargain coaches is unlikely and a losing strategy.
4. Reaching the top 3 or 4 teams of the MAC consistently seems a reasonable bet with a reasonable investment(more than we make now over the long haul, but not megabucks). We can win more than our share of championships, not dominate, unless I am wrong about my second point.
5. Doing that with this coach is a reasonable bet. Not a sure thing, but better bet than recycling on the same budget.
That reasonable goal on reasonable investment doesn't seem to be enough for many. I understand.
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Post by 00hmh on May 18, 2016 0:11:31 GMT -6
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Post by rusty on May 18, 2016 18:19:39 GMT -6
It's easy to opine why the contract extension was done, I don't believe any of you know the facts. I get the feeling some of you wanted him gone.
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on May 18, 2016 18:56:24 GMT -6
It's easy to opine why the contract extension was done, I don't believe any of you know the facts. I get the feeling some of you wanted him gone. A couple definitely wanted him gone. Most were more sensible in their critiques. Many here feel he's a good hire who has on the right path. I don't have a problem with the extension.
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 18, 2016 19:12:07 GMT -6
I don't think I remember anyone saying they wanted him gone this year. Several including myself said if the team did not take another step forward next year it might be time to start looking elsewhere
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Post by comet on May 18, 2016 19:15:42 GMT -6
I don't think I remember anyone saying they wanted him gone this year. Several including myself said if the team did not take another step forward next year it might be time to start looking elsewhere I'd be one of those in agreement, thus I'm still mixed on the extension. Still questioning the timing as it really could have had an impact on some players. As was implied or stated, would loved have heard the start of and most of that conversation.
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Post by thebsukid on May 18, 2016 22:03:29 GMT -6
Was that 5th or 6th? Positive spins one way and negative another!
When we win more than 23 next year even the negative will start to give up
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Post by rgmillikan on May 19, 2016 10:39:39 GMT -6
I think Whitford did a good job last season prior to the not so pretty last week and change of the season, there is talent on the horizon too with Persons and Teague, but I wish Sandy would have waited for the extension a year like two or three previous posts suggested. We should win at least one MAC tournament game in Cleveland before extending any coach as far as I'm concerned. I feel this extension is based on a presumption of what should happen going forward, which I guess time will tell if it's the right move. I am optimistic about seeing improvement next season, but in the worst case scenario if we plateaued around 10-8/11-7 and a one and done in the tournament (which matters most in our league) or regressed that extension is going to be a case of buyer's remorse because Whitford's job now is pretty safe through 2019 regardless of what happens. Given we have extended coaches, notably our last 2 not including Thompson, too early, Buckley after I believe the 2003-04 season and Taylor after BSU won the most meaningless MAC West title of all time in 2008-09 it does make me a little nervous. For Whitford to be the right coach, a MAC quarterfinals appearance should be a given, and the idea of going deep in Cleveland shouldn't be considered a stretch. He's not at that point as our coach yet.
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Post by cardfan on May 19, 2016 12:08:16 GMT -6
With the extension and therefore support from the university, one thing I'd like to see in return from Whit and the rest of the staff is a bit more public presence. I am not saying round the clock yammering and face time, just wouldn't mind hearing from the coach from time to time, especially in the off season. I do appreciate the access he's allowed via sports link, but a tweet every now and then or a newsletter or something would be nice. In season I don't expect much Like that--coaches are busy! I really like the energy and enthusiasm of the football staff and the updates they provide via social media. I guess what I'm saying is I'd like to see a little more energy and dynamism coming out of the basketball program: a little more selling of the program. Nothing over the top like a Tom Crean used car salesman, just a little show of life. Like it or not, part of a head coach's responsibilities is to promote his program, not only to recruits but to the fan base as well.
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on May 19, 2016 18:32:00 GMT -6
Well, that's a personality thing I guess. He did the one newsletter because people liked Lembo's (probably asked to by the AD). Obviously not his thing! I would like more as well, but at the end of the day, just run a respectable program and get a lot of wins.
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