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Post by cardfan on Feb 27, 2019 8:01:40 GMT -6
Oops.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 27, 2019 8:25:53 GMT -6
A couple of thoughts:
1.) I think this was premature 2.) The extension was too long 3.) Our record this year was inflated by a weak schedule 4.) Our h.s recruits have been good and our Juco's/transfers have not 5.) Frontline recruiting has been below average 6.) We lack a playmaking guard after four years of recruiting 7.) We have finished the season with a thud the first three years of the Whit era
I hope but doubt that there is some parachute in the agreement that doesn't guarantee the final two years in case the train runs off the track. That said, I sincerely hope we are tremendously successful. I want BSU to not just win consistently, but dominate and attract the kind of talent that will bring us multiple championships. So far, I have not seen that kind of talent or coaching to warrant that level of optimism. But he's our coach and this is my team so I have no choice but to support them...until tomorrow of course.
Indeed.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 27, 2019 8:26:18 GMT -6
Wow! You have a record that is 31-58 and your MAC record is 13-37, no wins in the MAC tournament and you get a 3 year extension. And we wonder why we have not won a championship in 16 years? Unbelievable. Good for Whit but this is comical.
Indeed.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 27, 2019 8:26:46 GMT -6
Lather, rinse, repeat.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 27, 2019 8:28:51 GMT -6
Wow! You have a record that is 31-58 and your MAC record is 13-37, no wins in the MAC tournament and you get a 3 year extension. And we wonder why we have not won a championship in 16 years? Unbelievable. Good for Whit but this is comical.
Indeed.
Yeah but don’t forget Whitford took over the most dire situation of all time so the first two years don’t count.
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Post by frozenbaugh on Feb 27, 2019 9:49:47 GMT -6
Is Tayler a grad transfer and had been looking at Purdue? If so, I feel bad for his decision the way this season has turned out.
Sigh.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 27, 2019 10:01:22 GMT -6
Is Tayler a grad transfer and had been looking at Purdue? If so, I feel bad for his decision the way this season has turned out. Sigh. He could have , and apparently had options but chose to stay. Don’t know if Purdue was one of them.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 27, 2019 10:09:06 GMT -6
A necessary moveSandy is right. But if I were going to do it, I'd have paid him more, something like what we want to pay a coach with the next hire. Duoh! When we hired Majerus we paid reasonably well. We did not follow that course with any subsequent hire. Seems to me we went downhill on every hire. We did very slightly upgrade the salary for Whitford. Had we made the BSU job an attractive one and upgraded at any point, we would not have been hiring Buckley, Ronnie or Billy. Or Whitford. Paying a current coach a low salary makes it harder to up the ante to upgrade. University budgets are perverse, and very sticky on budget for personnel when they leave if you want to compete for a good replacement unless you have a line with a high salary. Your theory of gambling on a series of budget coaches until we get lucky isn't convincing to me. If you really believe it's not luck and instead we are going to suddenly get smart and find the coach others are overlooking (I have some doubt about that), then getting smart with more money to spend sounds like a winner. We get smart and choose from a better pool of interested applicants.
If you predict failure and want the biggest war chest to pursue the next coach, look ahead and pay this one every penny you can. Make it a good job. Then insist on performance equal to the salary.
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Post by realitycheck on Feb 27, 2019 10:13:32 GMT -6
I thought this particular argument was about the extension? Are you saying the poor results or the sanity of that decision are because we didn't raise the salary as part of the extension? If so, that's a new level of stupidity which is saying something.
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Post by sweep on Feb 27, 2019 10:19:48 GMT -6
If you predict failure and want the biggest war chest to pursue the next coach, look ahead and pay this one every penny you can. Make it a good job. Then insist on performance equal to the salary.
That is among the dumbest things I have ever read on the internet.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 27, 2019 10:29:57 GMT -6
Pay him more, then fire him so we can pay the next coach more!
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 27, 2019 10:32:52 GMT -6
If you predict failure and want the biggest war chest to pursue the next coach, look ahead and pay this one every penny you can. Make it a good job. Then insist on performance equal to the salary.
That is among the dumbest things I have ever read on the internet. Probably seems that way to you because you didn't read the whole post. If you disagree with the post offer an argument.
I am not buying the "buy low because BSU is smarter than everyone else and will find the hidden gem, or that this is the best job in the MAC so we will get the best coaches without paying them" argument.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 27, 2019 10:39:54 GMT -6
Pay him more, then fire him so we can pay the next coach more! Can't afford to fire him. But you are on the right track.
Notice my quote back then was "if" we extend a coach, then pay him.
While I think the extension was defensible at the time, that was partly because I had no faith we were going to hire an upgrade and that extension was defensible in preference to the alternative of having him play out his time. We had a chance to do well.
As it is, right now, I can't say I am convinced we will pay what we need for a significant upgrade whenever we hire the next coach. And I'll hope we have success whichever way we go. Just think the highly preferable route is make this a premier job in the MAC if we want a premier result.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 27, 2019 10:43:31 GMT -6
I thought this particular argument was about the extension? Are you saying the poor results or the sanity of that decision are because we didn't raise the salary as part of the extension? If so, that's a new level of stupidity which is saying something. Could we have a better coach today if we had at any time in the last 20 years decided to pay the best salary in the MAC? Yes, I believe that.
In that case whether the coach does well or not, it pays to make the JOB a good one.
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Post by sweep on Feb 27, 2019 10:45:53 GMT -6
That is among the dumbest things I have ever read on the internet.
I am not buying the "buy low because BSU is smarter than everyone else and will find the hidden gem, or that this is the best job in the MAC so we will get the best coaches without paying them" argument.
What ? I don't see where anyone ever implied anything close to that.
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