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Post by hejustdidthat on Aug 11, 2015 11:33:26 GMT -6
If you are correct bsukid, we had better hope for "player development". You are talking about 3 starters from a 17 game losing streak team, a kid who has a 3rd of a season under his belt and a one who is coming from a 3 win MoValley team. I agree we should be much improved, just not sure which players we will see the biggest impact(improvement) from.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 11, 2015 14:34:30 GMT -6
..'the starting 5 the first game barring injury: PG Davis 2 Tyler 3 Sellers 4 Calhoun 5 Wells I agree Davis, Tyler and Sellers are likely starters. Calhoun or Wells would seem to me to be competing at Center. House and Weber should be ahead of Calhoun at PF on the depth chart. We will need Smith or Kiapway to step up. Need a good reserve in the back court. Weber should be ahead of everyone to be first off the bench up front if he isn't a starter. He may be best used as our super sub. He could play either forward. Moses may have to be able to get some minutes at Center.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 11, 2015 14:50:30 GMT -6
If you are correct bsukid, we had better hope for "player development". You are talking about 3 starters from a 17 game losing streak team, a kid who has a 3rd of a season under his belt and a one who is coming from a 3 win MoValley team. On the bright side we gain by replacing one of the starters from last year, Turner. Whoever we play...And although we loved him, Kam was injury prone. And all of kids you mention are a year older than last year and did play college ball with some starting experience! Returning there should be some improvement. Our best 5 last year would probably have been Kam, House, Sellers, Tyler and Davis. I am not sure we ever really saw that group play together for any length of time. The addition of Weber and return of Tyler are substantial improvements over the talent at the close of last season. Smith and the freshmen coming in are better than the reserves from last year. We'll have to see what Wells can do playing all season. He played on a team where there were other big kids the coach wanted to play and develop during the season. He responded pretty well when he had the chance to play.
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Post by thebsukid on Aug 11, 2015 14:58:13 GMT -6
I also believe Smith, Weber, House, and yes the two Freshman, Teague and Moses could see significant minutes....whoops back to 10 again... and I haven't mentioned Belcaster or Kipaway who saw significant minutes last year. The Smith kid sees the floor well and is a true point guard...he will push Davis for minutes.
Regardless, of who starts the Coaches problem may be satisfying players with enough minutes...we haven't had that problem in a long time.
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Post by lmills72 on Aug 11, 2015 17:31:02 GMT -6
If you are correct bsukid, we had better hope for "player development". You are talking about 3 starters from a 17 game losing streak team, a kid who has a 3rd of a season under his belt and a one who is coming from a 3 win MoValley team. I agree we should be much improved, just not sure which players we will see the biggest impact(improvement) from. Player development certainly will be key, but I will say that I'm much more optimistic about player development under Whit than I was under BT. House and Calhoun finished last year miles ahead of where they were the previous year, which I hope speaks to the work of both players and coaches. Turner didn't develop, but I think maybe that shows the difference between players who buy in to what the coaching staff is selling and those who don't.
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Post by bsu0 on Aug 12, 2015 4:25:50 GMT -6
Playing 10 deep? Playing post season following a seventeen game losing streak? Let's hope for a few upsets, keeping everyone eligible, young players hitting a few twenty footers, better crowds at home games, and overall improvement of the team as a whole. Looks like a team with some raw talent...let us see if it can be harnessed.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 12, 2015 7:41:11 GMT -6
Playing post season following a seventeen game losing streak? Let's hope for a few upsets, keeping everyone eligible, young players hitting a few twenty footers, better crowds at home games, and overall improvement of the team as a whole. Looks like a team with some raw talent...let us see if it can be harnessed. +1 Winning home games and seeing players and the team improve through the year should be really important goals that we hold the team to be responsible to achieve. If that added up to a few upset wins and a game or two in the MAC tournament where we closed out the season on a positive note, we'd be on the way to a very different attitude among fans and that would translate into better crowds. It is not easy to turn around. I believe we have good coach, and have some reason to be optimistic for the future, especially if we can sign another good recruiting class, reap the benefits of having a deeper roster and avoiding some of the inconsistency and inability to weather injury that we suffered through last year. I do not expect us to contend for a MAC championship. This year. But I expect a competitive team that wins some close games instead of fading at the end. No sure thing, but this year it's more than the usual "hope springs eternal" that is an annual rite on the forum. It's been a long time since we had much rational real reason for hope, much less expectation of success...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 12:35:47 GMT -6
" I believe we have good coach"
Based on what ? He has 12 wins in two full seasons. At this point he has not only not been good, he has been a disaster. I understand you need to give a coach time to build a program his way, but Whitford has shown absolutely nothing that would make me believe he is even an average coach. If I were BSU's AD and the numbers worked I would pulled his plug after last season.
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on Aug 14, 2015 13:43:01 GMT -6
Disaster, absolutely not. Need players to win. Look at the roster the last two years. Thin at most positions, injuries, no true big man, a loss of eligibility, a loss of desire on our "star" point. Given all that he's recruited pretty well. Time will tell what happens with better players and depth.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 14, 2015 13:48:56 GMT -6
" I believe we have good coach" Based on what ? He came in with weak roster, he recruited freshmen with a future during that first year. He did not have a choice but play freshmen last year. So, with a young team and a new coach, it's actually just a little early to judge, and anybody should be careful offering an unconditional evaluation. But. Besides my personal contact and observing practice and games, and seeing the coach deal with the public, there are some objective accomplishments which make me optimistic about his future. He has two of his own recruiting classes on the record, both good. If the quality of recruits continues he will be up there with the best recruiting coaches at BSU. His record of player development seems good, with House and Calhoun improving, and also Weber. The new players, and some of the previous coach's recruits, exception Turner, showed good results as he fit them into his way of playing. I look at a 17 game losing streak, who can be happy? However, I see the primary cause as lack of talent, critical injury or academic failing, and the mysterious case of Turner who probably represents a promising talent that did not fit this coaches system or expectations for defense and PG play. The team did not phone it in at any point, and played hard, losing games at the end. We can second guess, but I think that was not due to poor coaching decisions but fatigue and lack of depth. In terms of W-L, most or all of the cause was beyond the coach's control. He may well have chosen to introduce his system and put newcomers into play in that new system as much as possible, and at times that may have not led to optimum short term results. But we did not hire him to "win now" with a team loaded with talent, but rather to build a future team. We need some winning this year, everyone agrees, and if we see a competitive team with a future, he is far ahead of recent coaches. We have seen the last two coaches produce wins, but rarely did we see the chance for a really strong team on the horizon. Progress this year will mean we are happy with this coach and forget the bad results.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 13:53:56 GMT -6
Disaster, absolutely not. Need players to win. Look at the roster the last two years. Thin at most positions, injuries, no true big man, a loss of eligibility, a loss of desire on our "star" point. Given all that he's recruited pretty well. Time will tell what happens with better players and depth. Sorry but 48 loses in two seasons is a train wreck, especially in a lousy conference like the MAC.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 13:57:20 GMT -6
"anybody should be careful offering an unconditional evaluation"
Unconditional ? What are you talking about ? They won twelve games in two years. How is that unconditional ?
" losing games at the end"
That is hardly the sign of a well coached team.
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Post by comet on Aug 14, 2015 14:12:13 GMT -6
Far more agree with 00hmh than I do halftime.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 14, 2015 19:33:13 GMT -6
Disaster, absolutely not. Need players to win. Look at the roster the last two years. Thin at most positions, injuries, no true big man, a loss of eligibility, a loss of desire on our "star" point. Given all that he's recruited pretty well. Time will tell what happens with better players and depth. Sorry but 48 loses in two seasons is a train wreck, especially in a lousy conference like the MAC. The question is what caused the train wreck. If it is not the driver of the train, why blame him?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 5:51:59 GMT -6
Sorry but 48 loses in two seasons is a train wreck, especially in a lousy conference like the MAC. The question is what caused the train wreck. If it is not the driver of the train, why blame him? Try answering the original question. What at this point has Whitford accomplished to make you believe he is a GOOD coach ? Your argument that he isn't really as-bad-as he appears is incredibly weak considering his horrific won-loss record. Anyway at least you admit it's been a train wreck so far.
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