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Post by 00hmh on Oct 27, 2017 14:20:09 GMT -6
I expect us to be really good this year and championship level next year. Depending on injury, I expect good, contending for a MAC championship this year. Better, maybe really good next year, I have been burnt enough by the curse to be more cautious. Next year is promising. Hazen and Walton really are good players. Gunn is doing very well early, Huggins is better than anticipated, both will be improved I would think.
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Post by thebsukid on Oct 27, 2017 17:53:51 GMT -6
I’m planning on a trip to the dance this year and next!
Gunn will give us minutes as a Freshman and Huggins is better than billed by many!
This team will win plenty!
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 27, 2017 20:50:15 GMT -6
I’m planning on a trip to the dance this year and next! Gunn will give us minutes as a Freshman and Huggins is better than billed by many! This team will win plenty! Just trying to keep this all straight now its what 23 wins and an NCAA tourney appearance this year?
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Post by proctorp on Oct 29, 2017 10:04:07 GMT -6
My skepticism with the program lies with the staff. Have we be improved on the fundamental basics? When will the vaunted offense be turned loose? Will our kids keep their eligibility? Will we see something positive from the weight room? On paper I am excited. But Whit's program IMO has shown mediocre progress in the above.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 29, 2017 11:40:21 GMT -6
My skepticism with the program lies with the staff. Have we be improved on the fundamental basics? When will the vaunted offense be turned loose? Will our kids keep their eligibility? Will we see something positive from the weight room? On paper I am excited. But Whit's program IMO has shown mediocre progress in the above. If anything, the staff may have improved more than the Program performance. To me there has been obvious progress in most of the areas you name, I take it you are saying the progress overall has not be great enough in these areas. While the biggest problem as Whitford came on board was probably recruiting and lack of talent, this was a staff where we had no experience as head coach, and each assistant was also stepping up in responsibility. Any coaching change can mean difficulty. And new coaches all too often come because a program is struggling and a big turn around is not very likely, the OJT hurt us in the first two years. I know I was disappointed quite a bit in coaching last year with the early play, with the change that put the ball so much in Persons' hands, with notable difficulty for the team in adjusting and quite a few errors on his part. As the conference season developed, the changes turned out to be ones that worked.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 29, 2017 12:08:47 GMT -6
proctorp raises several areas of play where he is not happy with progress, I am not sure in all of them there is a problem, would like to see more discussion, because most of the heat on Whitford has been for recruiting, where just about everybody would be more happy with couple of more big ugly players to defend and rebound. My skepticism with the program lies with the staff. Have we be improved on the fundamental basics? Lots of good questions. This is one where I think the performance early last year raised questions, but the team may have adjusted and solved many of the problems on offense. Defensive fundamentals like staying in front of the ball more on the drive seem to me factors related to our lack of depth and lack of quickness with Tyler the only really quick guard, Persons not at all quick for a PG, and Franko, Moses, and Weber certainly not fleet of foot. Recruiting has helped us in these areas for the future. When will the vaunted offense be turned loose? This one puzzles me a little, although I had much more doubt during the early days before conference last year! But generally the offense has been a strength, at least when we are shooting reasonably well...I expect more offense this year. Agree with the idea to let the dogs run! Will our kids keep their eligibility? With the exception of Tyler's troubles, I am not sure how disciplinary issues have been a big problem and don't see what we would expect the staff to do here. Our team GPA is pretty good, especially compared with MANY past BSU basketball teams, where we had significant APR problems. Will we see something positive from the weight room? Here,again, there are some successes. Some being in LOSING weight, that's true with Persons and Moses, and the latter before being sidelined seem to have improved strength. Others, if you compare listed weight on the roster have add some size and we will notice it, but I don't expect any of our players to become Charles Atlas. Not sure what else we specifically need, except for skinny freshmen to mature. Conditioning may not have been the problem in the last years as much as lack of depth. On paper I am excited. But Whit's program IMO has shown mediocre progress in the above. There is some reason to be excited, and I heartily agree the burden is on the coaching staff to make the offense work, and my preference is for us to be much more agile and aggressive on defense. The coaching philosophy of a pack line and the lack of quickness necessary to apply pressure, and to help and recover, has meant we haven't seen as much there as I'd like. Greater depth, more athletes on the perimeter may help without changing much, I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 13:57:49 GMT -6
16-17 Turnovers per game 14.7 rank 314
15-16 Turnovers per game 13.3 rank 248
14-15 14.1 309
13-14 17.1 351 Dead Last
Sloppy play......................Is sloppy play................As I have asked before, do you even watch the games ?
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Post by thebsukid on Oct 29, 2017 16:10:11 GMT -6
Yes, 23-8 plus NCAA’s our my personal goals and projections!
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Post by bsutrack on Oct 29, 2017 16:23:13 GMT -6
Yes, 23-8 plus NCAA’s our my personal goals and projections! If that comes true, it should yield Whitford a new gig at another university, but I would bet against that.
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Post by rusty on Oct 29, 2017 17:50:26 GMT -6
I’m about with you kid . I’m thinking 21 wins again this season and a trip to the NCAA tournament or worse case NIT. I’ll be disappointed if they don’t make either tournament but 20 + win seems conceivable.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 29, 2017 18:03:25 GMT -6
I hope you guys are right but I cant see it.. Maybe next year
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 18:10:29 GMT -6
6-7 pre conference 12-6 conference 2 tournament wins
I come up with 20 max. No ncaa, no nit.
Whit looks and finds another gig.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 18:27:47 GMT -6
6-7 pre conference 12-6 conference 2 tournament wins I come up with 20 max. No ncaa, no nit. Whit looks and finds another gig. Well maybe if he wants to back to being an assistant somewhere.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 29, 2017 20:12:49 GMT -6
16-17 Turnovers per game 14.7 rank 314 15-16 Turnovers per game 13.3 rank 248 14-15 14.1 309 13-14 17.1 351 Dead Last Sloppy play......................Is sloppy play................As I have asked before, do you even watch the games ? I probably see enough games. Sure, we can improve in almost all fundamental areas, it's an endless coaching challenge. That turnover stat is not a complete measure of sloppy play, it's related to game pace, number of new players, change in system, and in some cases not related to coaching failure in teaching fundamentals, as much as personnel. Last year we had only 3 D1 guards, much of the year only 2. We suffered at the end of games because of lack of depth. Front line players Franko, Moses, and Teague, along with forwards Weber, and Sellers both playing sometimes as an off guard had more than 1/2 of our 500 turnovers. Sellers and Weber taken out of the mix as guards should help, while adding two PG to the roster, and returning players being stronger may help where turnovers resulted from being stripped of the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 3:55:14 GMT -6
16-17 Turnovers per game 14.7 rank 314 15-16 Turnovers per game 13.3 rank 248 14-15 14.1 309 13-14 17.1 351 Dead Last Sloppy play......................Is sloppy play................As I have asked before, do you even watch the games ? I probably see enough games. Sure, we can improve in almost all fundamental areas, it's an endless coaching challenge. That turnover stat is not a complete measure of sloppy play, it's related to game pace, number of new players, change in system, and in some cases not related to coaching failure in teaching fundamentals, as much as personnel. Last year we had only 3 D1 guards, much of the year only 2. We suffered at the end of games because of lack of depth. Front line players Franko, Moses, and Teague, along with forwards Weber, and Sellers both playing sometimes as an off guard had more than 1/2 of our 500 turnovers. Sellers and Weber taken out of the mix as guards should help, while adding two PG to the roster, and returning players being stronger may help where turnovers resulted from being stripped of the ball. So in other words "recruiting has consequences", but I thought our players were "highly skilled" and could "play multiple positions". Maybe not so much...............
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