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Post by chirpchirpcards on Oct 9, 2018 16:29:43 GMT -6
The Colts have the 2nd easiest remaining schedule, and I'm honestly not sure if I like that or not. At this point, sitting at 1-4, I think it's safe to assume the playoffs are out of the picture. If that's the case, then I turn to the draft and once again seek a high pick. Having the 2nd easiest schedule makes that outcome a bit more challenging, though if the injury bug keeps plaguing the team, then maybe not.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 9, 2018 18:46:27 GMT -6
ND liked him better at G, had another player at tackle who was very good, but not able to pull and block on the run as well which they needed.
He is a G. And very very good there, rated this weeks PFF in top 10, very good for rookie.
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Post by williamtsherman on Oct 9, 2018 19:27:34 GMT -6
And where is he in PFF rankings for the season?
This is not what we were sold. He struggles with NFL speed. Gets exposed. Nelson couldn't play tackle in college (there are two tackle positions, you know) and most certainly not in the NFL. Poor lateral movement. You simply do NOT spend the #6 pick on a limited player at a non-impact position. This is becoming more and more obvious. As are the larger needs. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 9, 2018 19:33:04 GMT -6
Yeah, never go for a G if you can go for the can't miss LT. If there isn't one you might go for a best at another position though.
Or you could just always go T. How can you miss?
Ask Giants about Ereck Flowers...
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Post by williamtsherman on Oct 10, 2018 14:13:21 GMT -6
This seems to me like a case of smart, knowledgeable people making a mistake by out-smarting themselves. Ballard and the scouts really liked Nelson because he (supposedly) did things the typical fan doesn't see or appreciate. It's always appealing to feel like you know something the common person doesn't. They fell in love, not so much with Nelson, but with their own ability to appreciate him. This caused them to drastically over value him in the draft.
On the other hand, if you took somebody from, say, Sri Lanka, who had never seen an American football game before. They are likely to perceive that there is this big scrum of big, immobile bodies that happens in the interior line every snap, but only rarely affects the result of the play. They might well perceive that the players involved in this scrum are intrinsically less important than the players that are having a very obvious affect on the game by running around outside this scrum, throwing and catching the ball or chasing other players. No Sri Lankan would ever use the 6 pick for an OG.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 10, 2018 19:47:23 GMT -6
Here is why Nelson is not a tackle
link Looking at this clip he did not get knocked down because he was too slow or was unable to move, or was not strong enough, he got hit moving and off balance because of moving.
The snap comes, he has nobody in front of him, properly moves quickly to his left and helps the tackle. He properly decides he isn't needed and quickly moves to his right, turns out he moves too far to the right, probably TOO quickly. The looping defensive player actually hits him as he is moving right, doesn't beat him to an opening to his right, but hits him on his left shoulder as he was moving back right.
Good defense, tough play to deal with. NOT what a tackle typically faces with a player getting past him on an initial fast move or uses a one on one trick move to beat him.
That blitz was one which came from quite far away, one where Nelson's sight line was blocked and he literally never saw it coming until too late. The guy had a head of steam and the only way you'd stop him would be very good position. He'd have had to NOT move as fast as he did, as far as he did.
It may have been some rookie error, I'll listen to the football experts on that, and I'll buy that he have over shifted back to the right. But it was not lack of lateral mobility. It was not lack of stability since he was in motion when he was hit moving and bowled over, not lack of strength mano a mano either. Nelson is very quick on his feet, very able to pull and make blocks, and both in motion where he steamrolls people and in position he is very strong.
Better as a guard, but hardly deficient in any way for the reasons you give.
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Post by williamtsherman on Oct 10, 2018 20:27:58 GMT -6
The point is that he faced an actual athlete in a bit of space that suddenly opened up, and he was completely undressed by Clowney. This would happen constantly at either tackle position. It's a whole lot harder to play tackle. That's why you have to spend high draft picks for tackles....who are athletic freaks- big AND strong AND long-armed AND able to move laterally.
Here's another one:
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Here again some space opens up in the middle and Nelson's inability to move laterally is painfully exposed. In this case it's not even a real athlete like Clowney, but just a fat nose tackle.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to make a case he is a bad guard...Nelson will probably be a fairly effective at guard, where he will mostly have congestion on either side to limit a defenders ability to go around him so easily. Colts will just need to scheme so that his weakness is not regularly exploited.
Also remember that he DID start some scuffles with defensive teammates in training camp, which proved he is a tough guy, or something. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 11, 2018 3:22:14 GMT -6
He was very good choice. Probably best avsilable. Perhaps at most one or two players even a decent alternative. I cannot fault the decision.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 11, 2018 6:33:46 GMT -6
Sherman, are you Bill Belichik?
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Post by williamtsherman on Oct 11, 2018 7:20:13 GMT -6
Oh, come on. Surely my posts have demonstrated better football acumen than Bill Belichick.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 11, 2018 9:43:54 GMT -6
Sherman, are you Bill Belichik? Give him credit, and he and Bill seem to have similar sensitive approach to discussing any player lapse or shortcoming. None of that glass half full. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Oct 11, 2018 12:08:35 GMT -6
He was very good choice. Probably best avsilable. Perhaps at most one or two players even a decent alternative. I cannot fault the decision.
Well, having invested the #6 pick, you can bet that Nelson will be around a while, and you will hear nothing but good things about him from the Colts organization. That will help you stick to your stance...even as it becomes progressively more obvious as a mistake.
And I hear it claimed he's really good at pulling....which will become absolutely vital if the Colts are ever put in a time machine to play against the 1964 Packers.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 11, 2018 12:34:36 GMT -6
He was very good choice. Probably best avsilable. Perhaps at most one or two players even a decent alternative. I cannot fault the decision.
Well, having invested the #6 pick, you can bet that Nelson will be around a while, and you will hear nothing but good things about him from the Colts organization. That will help you stick to your stance...even as it becomes progressively more obvious as a mistake.
And I hear it claimed he's really good at pulling....which will become absolutely vital if the Colts are ever put in a time machine to play against the 1964 Packers.
Don't you expect us to run the ball more than we have yet all year, a situation where perhaps his run blocking, a strength, has not had much display? |
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Post by williamtsherman on Oct 11, 2018 13:10:15 GMT -6
But I thought that drafting Nelson would ENABLE us to run the ball effectively. Whatever happened to that idea? Wasn't that a justification for the #6 pick? Is that not working? |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 11, 2018 15:21:40 GMT -6
But I thought that drafting Nelson would ENABLE us to run the ball effectively. Whatever happened to that idea? Wasn't that a justification for the #6 pick? Is that not working? Have you followed the situation at RB?  Mack out. Turbin suspended 4 games. Ferguson currently questionable, injured. Two rookies.
It was supposed to be RB by committee but they haven't had a quorum.
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Mack out. Turbin suspended 4 games. Ferguson currently questionable, injured. Two rookies.