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Post by williamtsherman on Jan 10, 2019 12:25:58 GMT -6
Here is something that I found by accident, and that I had never heard mentioned as it is contrary to the herd's narrative:
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 10, 2019 12:48:35 GMT -6
Here is something that I found by accident, and that I had never heard mentioned as it is contrary to the herd's narrative:
Penalties Interesting stat. Good catch.
That has to be a function of number of snaps. But perhaps we should look at early games and see if the "rookie" factor isn't there. I recall many commenting on that and his improvement after early troubles. And, maybe compare to other rookies.
Also, look at the stat for tackles by snap.
Maybe also, the better the player the more often he is left 1 on 1 and he's bound to be a little more prone to penalty.
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Post by williamtsherman on Jan 10, 2019 13:17:26 GMT -6
Yeah, that must be it. He holds more because he is a better player.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jan 10, 2019 14:04:36 GMT -6
He gets called for it because holding in the NFL is called differently than holding in college. Being a rookie, there's a period of adjustment. Game by game penaltiesIt looks like he struggled against Miami in Week 12 (2 holds and a false start) and the 3 games against Houston (against Watt, 2 holds and 2 false starts). So over the other 12 games, he had 4 holds total. That is pretty good for a rookie. Not really arguing for or against his selection at that spot in the draft, but I think with the number of picks we had available, reaching a bit for a really good guard wasn't going to hurt us any. He certainly wasn't going to be there at our next pick. |
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Jan 11, 2019 4:45:54 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 11, 2019 8:03:35 GMT -6
Once you mentioned NBA basketball, small ball, stretch positions, the General has been unable to think straight.
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Post by williamtsherman on Jan 11, 2019 9:15:59 GMT -6
"the better the player the more often he is left 1 on 1 and he's bound to be a little more prone to penalty."
Now that this has been explained to me, I'm really disappointed that Nelson had only the 2nd most penalties of any guard. When you spend the #6 pick, you would really hope he would have the most. Maybe he'll get more penalties with more experience? Maybe he can work on this over the summer?
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Jan 11, 2019 21:16:45 GMT -6
"the better the player the more often he is left 1 on 1 and he's bound to be a little more prone to penalty."
Now that this has been explained to me, I'm really disappointed that Nelson had only the 2nd most penalties of any guard. When you spend the #6 pick, you would really hope he would have the most. Maybe he'll get more penalties with more experience? Maybe he can work on this over the summer?
If guys like former Colts lineman Tarik Glenn are any indication, then yes he should get more penalties as he ages  |
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Post by williamtsherman on Jan 13, 2019 12:59:55 GMT -6
Well that was fun while it lasted. It appears to me that the Colts could really use a stud WR to take pressure off Hilton, and a productive pass rusher. But of course everyone wants THOSE things, so they won't be easy to get. If ONLY there had been some recent opportunity to acquire one of these high impact position players. Like...oh, I don't know...some occasion where the Colts would have an early opportunity to choose among newly available talent. Just a fantasy, I guess.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 13, 2019 16:02:23 GMT -6
Well that was fun while it lasted. It appears to me that the Colts could really use a stud WR to take pressure off Hilton, and a productive pass rusher. But of course everyone wants THOSE things, so they won't be easy to get. If ONLY there had been some recent opportunity to acquire one of these high impact position players. Like...oh, I don't know...some occasion where the Colts would have an early opportunity to choose among newly available talent. Just a fantasy, I guess. The Colts had a lot of holes to fill, that is true. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Jan 13, 2019 21:28:57 GMT -6
So, Colts pick 26th. Let's move on from the wasted opportunity in the 2018 first round.
Seems shocking to say from the perspective of this past September, but seems like the Colts are fairly solid at all three levels of the defense. Not that you couldn't use some upgrades...and of course a pass rusher is always welcome, as is a shut down corner....duh....but what is the real priority on defense? I'm not sure.
On offense, though, it's very clear. A real living, breathing #2 WR. This is the overwhelming draft priority. You maybe reach a little, you trade up, if there is really nobody you like you trade down, but an impactful WR is your priority. Also, TY is now 29...it's time to think past him a bit. A half step lost will be a big deal for him. Hate to say it, but it's probably not that far away.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jan 14, 2019 7:32:21 GMT -6
What, you don't think Pascal is the future at WR?
(Yes, I'm kidding.)
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 14, 2019 8:54:52 GMT -6
3 picks in top 60 plus free agent money. Their plan is working pretty well.
There were several players at that pick which would have been good picks. None clearly better at the time and given 20-20 hindsight after the season, none that look clearly better. And a few the General mentioned back there didn't do as well.
The best argument for NOT picking Nelson is the speculation of what would happen with a trade back for two picks. Given how things actually worked out, the Colts were either very smart or lucky or both. With a different sequence of picks hard to see how they come out a lot better than they did with their first 4 or 5 picks. A very good draft. And maybe with this one Colts can get some more offensive linemen.
Best bet? I will not be surprised to be surprised. Bet they go with the best player available and who knows what that will be.
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Post by williamtsherman on Jan 14, 2019 9:30:04 GMT -6
Calvin Ridley was picked 26th and filled the #2 role behind Julio Jones very nicely for the Falcons. He had 821 yards and 10 TD's. The 10 TD's in particular show what a threat to defenses he was.
Meanwhile, who is the Colts #2 WR? Not really sure, but statistically you would probably say Chester "Silicone Fingers" Rogers - 485 yards and 2 TD's. That is a huge difference in production. You might also want to imagine how much TY's production would have been helped by SOME other WR demanding some attention. I guarantee you no defensive coordinator lost 1 second of sleep over any Colts WR other than TY. Well possibly they delayed falling asleep long enough to thank the Lord that Luck didn't have one more quality WR to throw to.
Now, the draft equivalency charts tell us that we could have had 1) Ridley, PLUS another first round pick in the 20's in exchange for the #6 pick. Or alternately 2) Ridley with a pick in the 20's PLUS two mid 2nd round picks. How much would either of THOSE packages added to the team?
Ridley would have added a ton to the Colts offense by himself. A TON. Then you consider Ridley PLUS one or more other high picks and the comparison with the Nelson pick becomes a joke.
How many more sacks than Nelson would another guard have allowed? Maybe a couple? Maybe none?
You see, when you stray away from the herd hype and cherry-picked video clips, and take a cold look at alternatives, you see what the Colts really missed with the #6 pick.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jan 14, 2019 9:41:09 GMT -6
Cain was supposed to develop as the Number 2, but injury sidelined that idea. My choice for a Number 2:  |
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