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Post by 00hmh on Mar 23, 2018 12:05:17 GMT -6
Ok, one headache is gone. Now, who is even on Whit's radar? A shooting guard? A Big? What second pickings do we get with this extra? This is a good question. So far in his tenure we have done relatively well in the late period, I am not so worried that we get "second pickings" exactly. If they are second choices at high majors, or kids trying to improve to get a high major opportunity, there should be no great disappointment. Could be kids who are not going to a good school or equal school changing because of coaching change or other circumstance unrelated to their ability, too. 5th year or JUCO transfers are also not always second pickings at all. But if it is a regular transfer, we have had several signings who have to sit out and don't give immediate help. And as several have pointed out, with 3 red shirts this year, that hurt us depth wise. With shooting I feel we are in need of some immediate help with firepower off the bench to play behind Persons. Ish and Walton should be a pretty good duo at the other guard but neither is a 3 point shooter. And the incoming guards are after all freshmen, good talents, but not shooters.
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Post by reevo on Mar 23, 2018 12:08:28 GMT -6
Need an Impact power player and high percentage long ball shooter who can get to the rim. Agreed, but can Whit even recruit such needs? Have not seen an indication of this for 5 years now. I can't disagree with you. His philosophy is flawed but a solid low post scorer and rebounder would do wonders for our shooters. It would also help Trey and Teague who are better suited at the high post and wing.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 23, 2018 12:13:11 GMT -6
Need an Impact power player and high percentage long ball shooter who can get to the rim. reevo is all over this! Would be great if the shooter was good defender, but that's asking a lot. 3 and D, we'd really be improved. Walton is not a shooter, although able to defend, as well as get to rim. Ish could be a decent offensive player, and is not a terrible athlete, needs to be a lot better defender to play starters minutes. Persons should be better next year, maybe offense and defense if he is not required to play quite so many minutes, or maybe can play the minutes if he doesn't have to work so hard to defend (or too often not defend) quick point guards.
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Post by cardsfan606 on Mar 24, 2018 18:02:17 GMT -6
Need an Impact power player and high percentage long ball shooter who can get to the rim. reevo is all over this! Would be great if the shooter was good defender, but that's asking a lot. 3 and D, we'd really be improved. Walton is not a shooter, although able to defend, as well as get to rim. Ish could be a decent offensive player, and is not a terrible athlete, needs to be a lot better defender to play starters minutes. Persons should be better next year, maybe offense and defense if he is not required to play quite so many minutes, or maybe can play the minutes if he doesn't have to work so hard to defend (or too often not defend) quick point guards. tayler Is going to be tayler next year, I don’t see him getting any better than what he is now unless it is from an athleticism standpoint
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 24, 2018 18:04:25 GMT -6
reevo is all over this! Would be great if the shooter was good defender, but that's asking a lot. 3 and D, we'd really be improved. Walton is not a shooter, although able to defend, as well as get to rim. Ish could be a decent offensive player, and is not a terrible athlete, needs to be a lot better defender to play starters minutes. Persons should be better next year, maybe offense and defense if he is not required to play quite so many minutes, or maybe can play the minutes if he doesn't have to work so hard to defend (or too often not defend) quick point guards. tayler Is going to be tayler next year, I don’t see him getting any better than what he is now unless it is from an athleticism standpoint He doesn't need to change, his role, especially defense can change.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 24, 2018 18:15:30 GMT -6
reevo is all over this! Would be great if the shooter was good defender, but that's asking a lot. 3 and D, we'd really be improved. Walton is not a shooter, although able to defend, as well as get to rim. Ish could be a decent offensive player, and is not a terrible athlete, needs to be a lot better defender to play starters minutes. Persons should be better next year, maybe offense and defense if he is not required to play quite so many minutes, or maybe can play the minutes if he doesn't have to work so hard to defend (or too often not defend) quick point guards. tayler Is going to be tayler next year, I don’t see him getting any better than what he is now unless it is from an athleticism standpoint Agree. Persons is what he is and we’ve seen pretty much what he’s going to do.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 24, 2018 19:47:16 GMT -6
tayler Is going to be tayler next year, I don’t see him getting any better than what he is now unless it is from an athleticism standpoint Agree. Persons is what he is and we’ve seen pretty much what he’s going to do. Let's see, he'll play more off ball and not have to defend quickest guard as he had to late. That will make him have more advantage over opposite number. But he will have to adjust.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 24, 2018 20:19:14 GMT -6
What makes you think Persons won’t still dominate the ball next year?
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Post by proctorp on Mar 24, 2018 20:35:37 GMT -6
I would just like to see Persons get and stay in shape for the whole season. He looked gassed from January on. He also needs to shoot Free Throws better.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 24, 2018 20:37:29 GMT -6
What makes you think Persons won’t still dominate the ball nest year? Partly adding Walton, who is very good going to the basket, partly a bet on Ish who is potentially more a PG. We will have 2 guards in the game. Not one... Also, because Persons will be our best 3pfg shooter and we need to free him to get more shots off the ball where he may not be guarded by the best defender, benefits from inside out. Give the defense more trouble guarding him as he plays all over court. If we are going to use the offense we used near the seasons end to go inside more, we should use others to feed the big guys. He stretches the defense better that way Look, we saw Persons less effective both as primary ball handler at the end, and as scorer. It was tough having only one ball handler, I am sure we don't want to do that again. Have to share duties more. That means he's not the only one with the ball...
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Post by cardfan on Mar 24, 2018 20:54:03 GMT -6
That assumes whit will take the ball out of Persons hands. I’m not convinced he’ll do that.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 24, 2018 21:56:48 GMT -6
That assumes whit will take the ball out of Persons hands. I’m not convinced he’ll do that. Suppose he does it by sharing the ball, not by making Persons a classic 2G, but by looking at match ups. Which players can get the most from the dribble given what the defense is giving them. I am not saying we won't see Persons with the ball, but not nearly as much. We will have gone from a team a couple of years ago, with more players who could shoot from the perimeter, where almost nobody could drive to the basket compared to a group next year where we will have several players guards and forwards, along with Persons and Teague who can drive. Last year it made more sense to have Persons with the ball most of the year. Especially at the beginning of the year we had little post presence. Ish was a freshman, and not a scorer with the ball, avoid putting the offense in his hands... Tyler and Walker could drive but both were adept outside shooters, so could also space the court. At the end, he was the only guy starting who was a guard...
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 25, 2018 15:29:47 GMT -6
Sounds like 00hmh already has next year's team figured out, but I'm betting it takes Whitford 20-30 games to settle on a which player combinations and rotations work well together ... and then there's still a decent possibility he'll be wrong.
We'll be fiddling around with stuff all year. Persons at the point with Walton at the 2. Ish at the point with Persons at the 2. Ish at the point with Persons at the 2 and Walton at the 3. 2 guards. 3 guards. Mallers at the 3 or 4. Moses and Teague together. Moses, Teague and Hazen together. Moses, Teague, Hazen, Mallers and Persons.
By the time our coaching staff figures out what works (if anything works), the season will be over.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 25, 2018 16:09:30 GMT -6
Last year hardly typical in how many adjustments and changes required. I'd rate Witt's adjustments highly under the circumstances. Finally ran out pieces to play. That should not happen again.
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 25, 2018 17:09:04 GMT -6
Last year hardly typical in how many adjustments and changes required. I'd rate Witt's adjustments highly under the circumstances. Finally ran out pieces to play. That should not happen again. I would rate his adjustments poorly. Every year, it seems like it takes forever for the staff to figure it out. I think last year's limited roster finally FORCED him into a into a situation he probably should have moved toward 10 games earlier.
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