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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 7, 2015 12:42:52 GMT -6
The Kid Lives!!! I haven't seen him this fired up since Wenning was firing slants to Willie Snead!! Oh you dont remember last year before the season started. I think kid has pegged for 20 and challenging for a MAC title.. Then we played
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 7, 2015 12:59:20 GMT -6
I was thinking along the same lines about Kid's chances on these bets. Except, I am maybe more pessimistic about the MAC, based on equal ignorance of who is back and who is going to be improved along with BSU. I'd say 7 or 8 regular season wins at this point is an estimate not requiring unreasonable exuberant optimism, though.
Hey, if we get 8 wins in the MAC which was impossible last year, we would have a decent chance for a winnable MAC Tourney game too, maybe even a home game as a favorite.
Even 7 wins might put us in a game, depending on the matchup, that was winnable.
And I think in light of the odds of us winning all the winnable games without a stumble, the kid gets to count the IU Kokomo game! It is a fair reward for his unwavering enthusiasm. That makes 7-8 wins before conference a pretty good chance.
Could be better, I might be an optimist, but EKU at their place is not that big a stretch along with ISU. EIU here is winnable. Geeze, a little optimism maybe, but the kid might really be sitting pretty with these bets.
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Post by bsu0 on Oct 7, 2015 14:13:06 GMT -6
If we win 15 as my dear departed Father would say, ''I will kiss your ass on the courthouse steps at high noon and give you a half hour to draw a crowd.''
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Post by thebsukid on Oct 7, 2015 15:42:08 GMT -6
Well well boys....a little activity on the bb board!!!
All games count and with 30 games scheduled and likely at least 1 tournament game I really like my chances. In fact, I really believe 15 is the bare minimum of wins!!
So who else wants to bet the kid?? I'm taking on all comers. Where's the General and Mr Pesimistic Cardfan??
And, BSU 0, I want you to kiss my fanny in the middle of the scramble light at high noon on a Friday!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 15:58:27 GMT -6
"I will bet you a bottle of Eagle Rare bourbon voted best bourbon in America at the San Francisco Spirits Competition"
Good luck with that. Eagle Rare has been almost impossible to find for the last year.
These bets seem to be one sided. I haven't seen the kid put up anything yet.
Since the Kid seems to be a Bourbon guy I'll change my bet to some kind a private barrel offering.
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Post by thebsukid on Oct 8, 2015 12:46:32 GMT -6
Ok, you have a bet Halftime!!
Who else??
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Post by bsu0 on Oct 8, 2015 13:44:17 GMT -6
Halftime I have two bottles of unopened Eagle Rare at my house along with a bottle of sealed Evan Williams ten year 2004 vintage. I always make good on my bets. If you get to the Detroit area let me know and we can crack one of Eagle bottles open. As I mentioned I will make you the best Manhattan ever with the rare Italian vermouth.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 17:12:10 GMT -6
Halftime I have two bottles of unopened Eagle Rare at my house along with a bottle of sealed Evan Williams ten year 2004 vintage. I always make good on my bets. If you get to the Detroit area let me know and we can crack one of Eagle bottles open. As I mentioned I will make you the best Manhattan ever with the rare Italian vermouth. Will do if I find myself in Detroit. It's funny I live in Bourbon country and Eagle Rare has been a really tough get for a while at my main stops, however recently I found small crappy hole in the wall liquor store a few minutes away that has a good supply. I questioned the owner, she laughed and told me I am only customer who ever buys it, and they still have three cases in the back they bought two years ago.
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Post by bsu0 on Oct 8, 2015 17:22:20 GMT -6
Buy all you can because it will do nothing but get more expensive.
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Post by williamtsherman on Oct 9, 2015 8:58:35 GMT -6
I'd like to note that, although my quick analysis of the schedule suggests that Kid's 15 wins is not out of the question, I still think we should look at that figure as a near best case scenario. Since we were 277th in the KenPom rankings last year, we are ourselves a bad team by the standard I used above. We have added some players who we can hope will have a positive impact, but on the other hand, we did not replace our most crucial and valuable player, Kam. During our Kamless period last year, we were bad...really, really bad. Also we will be overmatched at both center and point guard by almost every team we play, as we were last year. This is a huge disadvantage to overcome on a nightly basis and, as I have stated already, is the consequence of a serious failure of recruiting. Whitford, going into his third season with those positions being what they are, has given himself a coaching challenge which would stress even the most established and creative coach.
I think coaches who are truely good mid-major recruiters (you can recognize them by their consistently winning records and championships) do two things. One, they get those windfall players. These are high quality players that come through a variety of non-standard ways - sleepers, transfers, projects, homesickness cases, risks etc. When one of these comes your way, you just take the kid regardless of your needs or your plan....they are too good to pass up. But, two, you also have to identify and fill your needs. You can't count on windfalls to drop into every position you need to have. Sometimes you just really, really need a certain type of player and you have to go out and grind and dig one out of the pack, one way or another. This, I am not seeing Whitford do successfully.
It's quite possible we will lose to at least one of the bad teams I listed. And also possible we will do worse than 8-10 in the MAC. If we have learned anything over the last dozen or so years, it is that there are a variety of ways a season can go south on us. I think that anyone who would have accurately predicted our eventual record at the beginning of each season of the last dozen years would have been, at the time, widely reviled and castigated as a real Debbie Downer.
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Post by bsu0 on Oct 9, 2015 9:19:13 GMT -6
I wish nothing but the best for Coach Whit and the Cardinals, but, after a season with seventeen straight loses predicting a fifteen game win season is a bit much. A team that will have to play so many young players in pivotal roles is bound to have a very long learning curve. It will be painful, but we must keep our eyes on IMPROVEMENT not wins per se. That being said, if the team does not win a ''few'', my belief is the coach's seat will be VERY warm if not red hot.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 9, 2015 10:02:55 GMT -6
I'd like to note that, although my quick analysis of the schedule suggests that Kid's 15 wins is not out of the question, I still think we should look at that figure as a near best case scenario. Since we were 277th in the KenPom rankings last year, we are ourselves a bad team by the standard I used above. We have added some players who we can hope will have a positive impact, but on the other hand, we did not replace our most crucial and valuable player, Kam. During our Kamless period last year, we were bad...really, really bad. Also we will be overmatched at both center and point guard by almost every team we play, as we were last year. This is a huge disadvantage to overcome on a nightly basis and, as I have stated already, is the consequence of a serious failure of recruiting. Whitford, going into his third season with those positions being what they are, has given himself a coaching challenge which would stress even the most established and creative coach. I think coaches who are truely good mid-major recruiters (you can recognize them by their consistently winning records and championships) do two things. One, they get those windfall players. These are high quality players that come through a variety of non-standard ways - sleepers, transfers, projects, homesickness cases, risks etc. When one of these comes your way, you just take the kid regardless of your needs or your plan....they are too good to pass up. But, two, you also have to identify and fill your needs. You can't count on windfalls to drop into every position you need to have. Sometimes you just really, really need a certain type of player and you have to go out and grind and dig one out of the pack, one way or another. This, I am not seeing Whitford do successfully. It's quite possible we will lose to at least one of the bad teams I listed. And also possible we will do worse than 8-10 in the MAC. If we have learned anything over the last dozen or so years, it is that there are a variety of ways a season can go south on us. I think that anyone who would have accurately predicted our eventual record at the beginning of each season of the last dozen years would have been, at the time, widely reviled and castigated as a real Debbie Downer. All of the points above are fair points. Especially the last paragraph! You focus on recruiting needs. Looking at this roster, we'd all admit we don't have a proven force in the middle, and do not have a quick skilled guard to handle pressure, guard a quick opposing PG, and do not appear to have a traditional "run the show" PG. But. To be fair. If we look at matchups:1. The other team will have some trouble with us on that count. Against a team with a smaller quicker PG, our size in the backcourt will create problems for them. Against a team with more size on the front line, they will trouble guarding us outside, to guard on drives and cuts to the basket, and even some trouble with players like House who can score based on movement, if he gets some room inside. 2. Our biggest problems are on defense against quickness in the backcourt and size inside. But, help defense can offset some of that. If we look at recruiting to meet needs:
1. Yes, we can't be sure we are on track to meet needs. That cuts both ways, that uncertainty is not a proven "serious recruiting failure." There is uncertainty and that raises legitimate issues and questions, but it is more a case of not achieving a best case scenario where we were totally satisfied with recruiting. That's a different thing. 2. We are doing very well to meet needs to put shooters and high quality athletes who have skills on the floor. That has been a critical need for the last decade. If you focus on our problems last year: 1. You see how much we suffered with Kam out, but we have MUCH more talent to replace him this year. The returning players are a year along, there is a transfer and two recruits with some size coming in. This isn't the team that had to play Rocco a lot of minutes as a PF. 2. Our problems when Kam went out were related to not having much at other positions at the same time. The depth and improvement at ALL other positions means we can offset a weakness in the middle. More important, this is not a team with one guard who has size and determination to defend. This will not be a team that is gassed at the end of every game. Half full or half empty? If you want to focus on not being back to the top of the MAC this year, I agree with other comment here, that should not be what we expect. If you are worried whether we have quite enough to get back in the mix and compete at the top NEXT year, I am more optimistic but agree 100% we have a lot to prove.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2015 7:48:45 GMT -6
" widely reviled and castigated as a real Debbie Downer."
Ha, cardfan used that exact term to describe me at one time.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 10, 2015 7:57:16 GMT -6
If the shoe fits.
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Post by thebsukid on Oct 10, 2015 11:05:43 GMT -6
15 or more...who wants action...I will take on all comers...what about CardFan{ Mr. Positive } and the General???
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