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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 19:30:02 GMT -6
Tits on a bull.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 11, 2018 19:52:14 GMT -6
Not group think if you trust the President, the alternative to a president paying attention to others group recommendation is JAG. WTF are you talking about ? A like thinking group, with the same self interests, recommending candidates that most benefit the group is the last thing you want. They are going to skew toward the candidates with the lowest standards. How dumb are you ? OK. Go with the JAG method. She decides, doesn't listen to anyone else. I don't know where you get the idea the committee is like thinking or has the same self interests. The President appointed a committee to broadly represent the constituencies involved in BSU athletics. Who would you want advising him? And remember, he's the guy who makes the decision, he can ignore the group. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 20:01:10 GMT -6
TSP reported about the search in early May: There is an outside firm to generate what Mearns calls "a pool of diverse and qualified candidates." He has his own committee on campus that is a mix of administrators, coaches, athletes and boosters. It consists of professor Lindsey Blom, booster Dave Heeter, field hockey player Sierra Jefferson, professor Larry Judge, associate athletic director Karin Lee, former basketball player Paris McCurdy, head volleyball coach Kelli Miller, head football coach Mike Neu, soccer player Tristin Stuteville and Secretary of the Ball State University Foundation Board of Directors Marla Templeton.
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Post by gocardsgo on Jun 11, 2018 21:55:46 GMT -6
What about Kelli Miller? Under performed terribly in her first season, and bounced in the first round of the MAC tourney in both seasons
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 3:59:19 GMT -6
WTF are you talking about ? A like thinking group, with the same self interests, recommending candidates that most benefit the group is the last thing you want. They are going to skew toward the candidates with the lowest standards. How dumb are you ? OK. Go with the JAG method. She decides, doesn't listen to anyone else. I don't know where you get the idea the committee is like thinking or has the same self interests. The President appointed a committee to broadly represent the constituencies involved in BSU athletics. Who would you want advising him? And remember, he's the guy who makes the decision, he can ignore the group. It must be hell working on a college campus. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 4:04:47 GMT -6
TSP reported about the search in early May: There is an outside firm to generate what Mearns calls "a pool of diverse and qualified candidates." He has his own committee on campus that is a mix of administrators, coaches, athletes and boosters. It consists of professor Lindsey Blom, booster Dave Heeter, field hockey player Sierra Jefferson, professor Larry Judge, associate athletic director Karin Lee, former basketball player Paris McCurdy, head volleyball coach Kelli Miller, head football coach Mike Neu, soccer player Tristin Stuteville and Secretary of the Ball State University Foundation Board of Directors Marla Templeton.Ugh..............................There is no chance this will go wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 7:18:29 GMT -6
TSP reported about the search in early May: There is an outside firm to generate what Mearns calls "a pool of diverse and qualified candidates." He has his own committee on campus that is a mix of administrators, coaches, athletes and boosters. It consists of professor Lindsey Blom, booster Dave Heeter, field hockey player Sierra Jefferson, professor Larry Judge, associate athletic director Karin Lee, former basketball player Paris McCurdy, head volleyball coach Kelli Miller, head football coach Mike Neu, soccer player Tristin Stuteville and Secretary of the Ball State University Foundation Board of Directors Marla Templeton.So here is a breakdown of the advisory committee : An Associate Professor of Sports Psychology A career retail banker A member of the field hockey team A Kinesiology Professor The Senior Associate AD and Senior Woman Administrator Direct report to the chosen candidate (But hey she has a doctorate from Capella in something) Ball State's Director of Community Diversity Inititives Women's Volleyball Coach Direct report to the chosen candidate Football Coach Direct report to the chosen candidate A member of the women's soccer team A retired CPA Once again ugh............This can't possibly go wrong. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 12, 2018 8:12:48 GMT -6
You start out with an assumption that BSU athletes and coaches don't want an AD who is competent and will represent the Department well with the President, with donors, with outside constituents, with the press and public. That they would prefer somehow not to have someone with an outstanding record of achievement who has had a career in athletics making them qualified by a search firm and who have a resume of measurable achievement elsewhere. Instead you worry they are trying to read tea leaves to find a weak kneed AD who they hope to influence. (How they do that from resumes, letters of reference, and perhaps a brief screening interview is not exactly clear.)
Assuming all this you also assume that men's and women's coaches, that players and coaches and others have the same interest, or that those you suspect would be able to pull the wool over the eyes of the other members.
Look. It is the President who chose the committee. If he has such horrible judgment as to allow the members to have some set of misguided priorities, it is his judgment that is faulty. You are assuming this is his first rodeo. His first experience in selecting someone he has to work with and will influence his own success. Assume his judgment is flawed, I do not and think he's a pretty smart guy. But if not, if you are right, isn't it that same judgment that determines the ultimate choice. So NOT having a committee do the search doesn't seem to me much of a solution, assuming all the evils you want to assume.
This process is how AD's are chosen everywhere. There is good reason for it. How many such searches for a high level employee with multi million dollar budget under control or major responsibility as a University administrator over hundreds of employees and students have you conducted? How would you suggest a search be done?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 9:47:05 GMT -6
You start out with an assumption that BSU athletes and coaches don't want an AD who is competent and will represent the Department well with the President, with donors, with outside constituents, with the press and public. That they would prefer somehow not to have someone with an outstanding record of achievement who has had a career in athletics making them qualified by a search firm and who have a resume of measurable achievement elsewhere. Instead you worry they are trying to read tea leaves to find a weak kneed AD who they hope to influence. (How they do that from resumes, letters of reference, and perhaps a brief screening interview is not exactly clear.)
Assuming all this you also assume that men's and women's coaches, that players and coaches and others have the same interest, or that those you suspect would be able to pull the wool over the eyes of the other members.
Look. It is the President who chose the committee. If he has such horrible judgment as to allow the members to have some set of misguided priorities, it is his judgment that is faulty. You are assuming this is his first rodeo. His first experience in selecting someone he has to work with and will influence his own success. Assume his judgment is flawed, I do not and think he's a pretty smart guy. But if not, if you are right, isn't it that same judgment that determines the ultimate choice. So NOT having a committee do the search doesn't seem to me much of a solution, assuming all the evils you want to assume.
This process is how AD's are chosen everywhere. There is good reason for it. How many such searches for a high level employee with multi million dollar budget under control or major responsibility as a University administrator over hundreds of employees and students have you conducted? How would you suggest a search be done?
"How many such searches for a high level employee with multi million dollar budget under control or major responsibility as a University administrator over hundreds of employees and students have you conducted?" Well let's see I started running trading desks when I was 26 years old, and had the responsibility over hundreds of millions of dollars on a daily basis and was able to retire at 39 based solely on the decisions I made. I have also hired and fired dozens of people. Now go ask those people on the committee how many important financial or personnel decisions they have ever made in their entire careers. 00 this is exactly why you escaped into teaching, you can't make proper decisions. Why don't you have your students decide what's going to be on your next test, because that's essentially what Mearns just did with this hire. |
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Post by bsu0 on Jun 12, 2018 9:50:30 GMT -6
I would appoint ''The General'' to make the choice and let him burn, pillage, and plunder his way to Worthen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 9:55:26 GMT -6
I would appoint ''The General'' to make the choice and let him burn, pillage, and plunder his way to Worthen. I would rather have the General make the choice than this exercise in feelgoodism. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 12, 2018 14:11:30 GMT -6
So NOT having a committee do the search doesn't seem to me much of a solution, assuming all the evils you want to assume.
This process is how AD's are chosen everywhere. There is good reason for it.
"How many such searches for a high level employee with multi million dollar budget under control or major responsibility as a University administrator over hundreds of employees and students have you conducted?" Well let's see I ran multiple trading desks since I was 26 years old, and had the responsibility over hundreds of millions of dollars on a daily basis and was able to retire at 39 based solely on the decisions I made. I have also hired and fired dozens of people. Now go ask those people on the committee how many important financial or personnel decisions they have ever made in their entire careers. 00 this is exactly why you escaped into teaching, you can't make proper decisions. Why don't you have your students decide what's going to be on your next test, because that's essentially what Mearns just did with this hire. All due respect to you for doing your job well. But the question is about a far different job than yours was than is running a university, and your experience isn't really very relevant to the task the President has.
You beg the question there to claim the decisions those committee members had to make are somehow the same as making financial transactions efficiently at the trading desk, or by hiring specialists with a fairly narrow and very limited function to do so.
A University President has to answer to his Board, but also to students, employees, legislators, and the public. His job is very public, unlike the decisions you made which would have been known only by a few.
Dollar trading volume at the desk as you well know is not the same thing as a managing a budget of the same size, allocating and managing resources for the long run, supervising 1000's of employees, thousands of students, as well as a billion dollar physical plant, and also answering to that public and the politicians.
Being responsible and doing that job is to your credit, but the scale of management responsibility and complexity of the job is not, again with due respect to you, proportional to dollar trading volume you routinely handled. You know that, and beg the question with the comparison.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 12, 2018 14:27:41 GMT -6
You start out with an assumption that BSU athletes and coaches don't want an AD who is competent and will represent the Department well with the President, with donors, with outside constituents, with the press and public. That they would prefer somehow not to have someone with an outstanding record of achievement who has had a career in athletics making them qualified by a search firm and who have a resume of measurable achievement elsewhere.
...this is exactly why you escaped into teaching, you can't make proper decisions. You know I am a practitioner and professional in "real life" as well as a university employee, and wouldn't have had a long career in either venue by making bad decisions.
My career has involved some fairly complicated business decisions, negotiating and advising on large financial transactions, important business decisions, advising managers of large private for profit organizations.
You have little respect for a range of management skills a university president has to have, I have some respect for them. You seem to have little understanding of that world, and decisions involved, perhaps should not jump to conclusions about it. I'm sorry to hear you retired in a way. I hope you are satisfied with your retirement after leaving the arena where you were accomplished.
I love this university and have kept at a job here and kept up in a reduced degree in professional life outside because even after the time I might have retired and enjoyed leisure, still enjoy my job, can still do it well. It is interesting and challenging, and also, in both my careers it's a plus to serve and give back to others. That is a big part of why people work at the university, not to escape anything. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 14:29:57 GMT -6
"How many such searches for a high level employee with multi million dollar budget under control or major responsibility as a University administrator over hundreds of employees and students have you conducted?" Well let's see I ran multiple trading desks since I was 26 years old, and had the responsibility over hundreds of millions of dollars on a daily basis and was able to retire at 39 based solely on the decisions I made. I have also hired and fired dozens of people. Now go ask those people on the committee how many important financial or personnel decisions they have ever made in their entire careers. 00 this is exactly why you escaped into teaching, you can't make proper decisions. Why don't you have your students decide what's going to be on your next test, because that's essentially what Mearns just did with this hire. All due respect to you for doing your job well. But the question is about a far different job than yours was than is running a university, and your experience isn't really very relevant to the task the President has.
You beg the question there to claim the decisions those committee members had to make are somehow the same as making financial transactions efficiently at the trading desk, or by hiring specialists with a fairly narrow and very limited function to do so.
A University President has to answer to his Board, but also to students, employees, legislators, and the public. His job is very public, unlike the decisions you made which would have been known only by a few.
Dollar trading volume at the desk as you well know is not the same thing as a managing a budget of the same size, allocating and managing resources for the long run, supervising 1000's of employees, thousands of students, as well as a billion dollar physical plant, and also answering to that public and the politicians.
Being responsible and doing that job is to your credit, but the scale of management responsibility and complexity of the job is not, again with due respect to you, proportional to dollar trading volume you routinely handled. You know that, and beg the question with the comparison.
You are right the impact the President has is to make sure a bunch of touchy feely College Profs and students perceive they are involved, and use that to influence a move in a proper direction. However hiring an AD is not the way to do that. It's too important. I am sorry but he really f'd up here. This is nothing but pseudo- process management run amuck. I didn't read past your first sentence, so excuse me for not addressing anything else you posted. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 12, 2018 15:48:25 GMT -6
All due respect to you for doing your job well. But the question is about a far different job than yours was than is running a university, and your experience isn't really very relevant to the task the President has............Being responsible and doing that job is to your credit, but the scale of management responsibility and complexity of the job is not, again with due respect to you, proportional to dollar trading volume you routinely handled. You know that, and beg the question with the comparison.
I didn't read past your first sentence, so excuse me for not addressing anything else you posted. No problem, you often don't know what you are talking about and still offer an opinion. We're used to it. |
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