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Post by reevo on Oct 24, 2018 19:34:49 GMT -6
Dear Jesus the kid has rubbed off on everyone.. 20 21 22 Ncaa tournament your guys are all on the wacky tobacky Just sayin what I think would be considered successful. Didn’t say we would do it. Not sure I can ever be as optimistic as kid. Kid is high on life 24/7.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 24, 2018 20:07:39 GMT -6
Dear Jesus the kid has rubbed off on everyone.. 20 21 22 Ncaa tournament your guys are all on the wacky tobacky Just sayin what I think would be considered successful. Didn’t say we would do it. Not sure I can ever be as optimistic as kid. Kid is high on life 24/7. I trust your basketball IQ do you think we have the team to even come close to doing what people are talking about
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Post by reevo on Oct 24, 2018 21:49:22 GMT -6
I think Buffalo is still the best team but we are in the next group of 2 or 3 teams that will challenge for the 2nd seed. In the West you have Us, Eastern and Toledo with Ohio in the East that should contend. The good news for us is that other than Buffalo, we should match up well with everyone else.
As far as the non conference is concerned, Purdue will be a match up nightmare for us because of their size, ability to space the floor and shoot and Edwards ability to get to the rim and stop and pop. We are going to have to really shoot the ball well to have a chance in Mackey. Virginia Tech will be tough because of their athleticism and Loyola is playing at home. I see 3 loses for sure in the non conference part with Valpo being tough at home. Evansville is in total rebuild and if we lose to Va. Tech, we won’t be playing Alabama with the rest of the non conference schedule winnable. 8-5 to 10-3 is possible with 11-7 to 13-5 as your potential in the MAC.
I believe it is going to come down to how our unknowns play. Trey has to get some help inside and the two transfers have to play as top MAC players. Rebounding and keeping the better programs off the glass will tell us early on how this season us going to go. Yes, we will have our best chance to challenge for a championship but as always, inside depth is going to be an issue. I honestly see us going 8-5 non conference and 13-5 in the MAC giving us the 2 seed and going 21-10 before the tournament. Unless injury or something out of nowhere happens, we will finish runners up to Buffalo in Cleveland. Should be fun. Ready for the season to start!
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Post by thebsukid on Oct 24, 2018 21:57:00 GMT -6
I 100% agree with Reevo on every point!!
Even 21 wins a good chance at the #2 seed, etc.
I’m counting on the two SEC players along with the returnees to take us up a notch but talk is cheap I want to see this team hungry to win every minute of every game!
Go Cards
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 24, 2018 22:20:53 GMT -6
The MAC tourney will be the usual unpredictable event. Except maybe Buffalo who might be good enough to survive a bad game anything is possible game after game.
It's grueling and exhausting. Finding depth at guard may be as important there as having depth inside, I think maybe our depth at forward will pay off, and offset some lack of bulk and strength in a 3 day event. Good guard play keeping pressure on is hard to maintain as the legs get rubbery in game 3, second half. I worry about how to spell Persons.
I'd sure prefer the other half of the bracket from UB, and just don't know we have enough shooting to think we can over achieve and really break out.
Better D, more athleticism and toughness we should have. Never bad at tourney time.
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Post by rgmillikan on Oct 25, 2018 3:19:53 GMT -6
I will bite. A top 2 seed in the MAC tournament. 22 and or more regular season in wins. A finals birth in the MAC tournament. Post season tournament that is not a pay to play. I like this scenario in terms of a successful one.
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Post by williamtsherman on Oct 25, 2018 11:03:37 GMT -6
This all makes me almost feel sorry for Tim Buckley. Judging by this thread, a BSU coach is no longer expected to win championships. Instead, if you can have maybe three total MAC tourney wins and one finals berth IN SIX YEARS....everything is fine.
We once had much higher standards. But then Buckley had a big role in lowering the standards himself...so I don't feel too sorry for him.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 25, 2018 12:13:51 GMT -6
Blame the search(s) conducted. For Buck, but especially Thompson. Not sure there was much better available than Billy, the job really sucked at that point.
By comparison to those searches, getting Whit was a solid B+ job. For an A we have to commit to hiring more experience, for more $.
If we are at the point where it's reasonable to think we are a top 3 MAC Program, forget the past pain. You should enjoy it, and remember only what mistakes led to it, hope the next search makes that necessary commitment.
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Post by williamtsherman on Oct 25, 2018 12:38:33 GMT -6
We are not a top 3 program. Even making the finals one year would not move us to that. Calling yourself a top X program implies at least a little consistency. One tourney win in the last forever years doesn't cut it.
Buffalo is top dog. Akron is currently reloading in a big way after a coaching change. Would you say we have surpassed Akron as a program? Akron fans would laugh at that. There are students at Akron born since our latest MAC championship. At best we are one of several the next level down, and I would question if our recent history even warrants that.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 25, 2018 13:39:06 GMT -6
Perhaps a little optimism is in order though.
I am not saying we forget lessons learned, but I see no reason not to enjoy the greater success either. Why refuse to do so because it is not matching our greatest heights.
Akron isn't where they are because they nickel and dime. We have to realize that. Not true in any of our hires, but at least we now have an experienced coach, good talent, and have been moving in the right direction. In any case we have clawed our way out of the sub-basement and above the middle of the pack. If we can finish in the top group consistently we will break through, win a share.
If we want success like Akron has had we have to do more, I'll buy that.
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Post by thebsukid on Oct 25, 2018 14:14:03 GMT -6
This thread was likes the Dems and Republicans getting along until...
I'm going to say that given we have been hovering around 20 wins the last couple of years regardless of schedule and won a piece of the West a time or two, I think that if we win the West this year and play Buffalo in the Final's win or lose we are at least in my view in the top echelon of MAC teams again...
I think most here will agree.
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Post by rgmillikan on Oct 25, 2018 20:36:28 GMT -6
This all makes me almost feel sorry for Tim Buckley. Judging by this thread, a BSU coach is no longer expected to win championships. Instead, if you can have maybe three total MAC tourney wins and one finals berth IN SIX YEARS....everything is fine.
We once had much higher standards. But then Buckley had a big role in lowering the standards himself...so I don't feel too sorry for him. I will say quite frankly it sucks that ball State hasnt made the NCAA Tournament since I became a freshman in 2001-02 with a team that underachieved in MAC play and I have had problems with administration handing out extensions for both Taylor and Whitford in seasons that were far beneath stellar or the type of seasons that a mid major should have even the slightest fear of losing their coach. Given Whitford is under contract through 2021-22, for better or worse hes not going anywhere this season.
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Post by sweep on Feb 27, 2019 9:11:59 GMT -6
I’m counting on the two SEC players along with the returnees to take us up a notch but talk is cheap I want to see this team hungry to win every minute of every game! Go Cards Well that didn't happen.................
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