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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 5:35:17 GMT -6
"hopefully this is something that will be fixed next year"
The problem is how many times, on how many different issues, are we as Alumni supposed to accept another unprofessional, half-assed, cluster mess ? This is just stupid stuff that anyone in a decision making position should be intelligent enough to avoid. What kind of moron changes parking policies mid-season, when they know the customer will be inconvenienced and upset ? No one who has ever made a business decision in their entire life would do that. It's just absurd.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 5:44:25 GMT -6
Sorry but when you park in the lot with the students you have to expect things like that. As soon as I started taking my don to games with me it was time to buy a parking pass. Yea its kinda expensive but it is easier in and out and much more family friendly I think the real kick in the crotch comes from realizing someone who will hold a degree from the same University you attended, is so stupid, they own a copy of that song. I'd rather be forced to listen to Pete Seeger or GWAR for three hours. I am assuming this is the song the op was subjected to : Although there might be something out there I am not familiar with. www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRkP-rplNjs |
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Post by bsu0 on Oct 18, 2015 7:58:48 GMT -6
Yes the words might be a touch out of line, but the melody to this song is so beautiful that thousands of people will be playing this song at their weddings and anniverseries and remembering it as OUR SONG.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 18, 2015 8:08:10 GMT -6
First, I was thinking that part of the problem is not going to be solved without a battle of the bands!
But then, maybe, some of this is chicken and egg.
We want bigger tailgating, more fans, and we want more students at the game. Right now we can attract students with a bigger party, but the trouble is partly that it is working. At least we are having a bigger party. But, we aren't really getting more alumni and paying fans.
So, if we had a really big alumni presence we'd have a lot of 60's and 70's high volume rock and a single frat with loud speakers wouldn't be such a problem. But the next thing that would be different is we'd also have a much bigger paid parking area so they could escape the inconvenience and crush.
Tailgating at big schools is not as much about attracting students who don't want to go to the game. The Mardi Gras would be out on fringes somewhere.
Who has been to tailgates at other MAC schools and how are they set up?
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Post by bsu65 on Oct 18, 2015 8:36:45 GMT -6
Maybe they could move the student section to the lot on the other side of the stadium next to the elementary school ( I thinks its a elementary school) it would be on the back side of the student section in the stadium. Most of the MAC schools have a student lot and fans know not to go into that lot. Just a thought.
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Post by universityjim on Oct 18, 2015 9:31:51 GMT -6
Across the street Cvc lot isn't exactly cheap for a young family AND often a tailgate of three cars all coming from an hour plus away. So what do we get ? Constant confusion parking wise, oh big bonus I am my two girls got to listen to "stick my dick in your ass " for twenty minutes straight. Such a great family environment. I have talked to more people than I care to admit about affordable family parking at games. I encounter nothing but blank stares. I can only imagine others coming and never coming back because of situation over here. Ball state football and game day experience sucks. While I can imagine that's very frustrating with young children...when you tailgate around 18-22 year olds indulging in alcoholic beverages, it shouldn't be overly surprising that the environment isn't family friendly. And that's hardly unique to Ball State. I'd suggesting aiming for the back corners of the tailgating lot...I've done that with family and grandparents involved and it was plenty family friendly. It didn't matter where you were, that crap was being played so loud you could hear it in the stadium. It was over the top totally unacceptable. Families will stop tailgating with their kids if stuff like that is tolerated. Have our students really sunk that low? Wish this had happened before I filled out my survey from BSU football concerning game day experience. I am lucky and we have wonderful parties in the Gold Lot, but I totally agree with tailgateparty, there need to be somewhere that families can have tailgate parties and not be subjected to the atmosphere across Tillotson while not paying the significant sums for CVC priority parking. Yes, game days are about the college students and they need to be allowed to have fun within reason, but they are also about the alumni and non-BSU families too. We want those young kids to have a positive experience at Ball State and want to come back here to to see more games and then when they get older come to school here. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 10:23:47 GMT -6
First, I was thinking that part of the problem is not going to be solved without a battle of the bands! But then, maybe, some of this is chicken and egg. We want bigger tailgating, more fans, and we want more students at the game. Right now we can attract students with a bigger party, but the trouble is partly that it is working. At least we are having a bigger party. But, we aren't really getting more alumni and paying fans. So, if we had a really big alumni presence we'd have a lot of 60's and 70's high volume rock and a single frat with loud speakers wouldn't be such a problem. But the next thing that would be different is we'd also have a much bigger paid parking area so they could escape the inconvenience and crush. Tailgating at big schools is not as much about attracting students who don't want to go to the game. The Mardi Gras would be out on fringes somewhere. Who has been to tailgates at other MAC schools and how are they set up? I think you completely misdiagnosed the problem at hand. The primary issue is that particular song is completely inappropriate for public play even at a moderate volume level, especially when children might be present. The University needs to post a sign with a few simply stated rules of conduct and then follow up with some type of verbal enforcement. There are parents and prospective students doing campus visits every Saturday in the fall, and this along with the parking fiasco leaves a horrible impression. It's a shame the student body is obviously so self unaware they can't police themselves but apparently there is a need for potty training here. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 20, 2015 15:12:32 GMT -6
Sure. It's a shame. But, they should not need posted rules... Enforcement to keep a large party orderly is awfully hard unless the pary goers start out with some common sense.
As long as the students are such a big part of tailgate, we ought to consider separating them or restricting them. I think we have two attendance problems, students and adults. This situation helps one hurts the other potentially.
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Post by lmills72 on Oct 20, 2015 20:19:07 GMT -6
Maybe they could move the student section to the lot on the other side of the stadium next to the elementary school ( I thinks its a elementary school) it would be on the back side of the student section in the stadium. Most of the MAC schools have a student lot and fans know not to go into that lot. Just a thought. Unfortunately, that abuts a residential neighborhood. Taking something that was objectionable in the normal tailgating lots and subjecting a neighborhood to it? .... Probably not what most people would call being a good neighbor. The other question is: What is a student section? Do you have to show a student ID to get into the student tailgate section? If you do, I assure you you'll still have issues in the main tailgate area because the problem isn't just with kids who are BSU students; it's young adults of that age in general who show up just for the party. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 7:38:57 GMT -6
Sure. It's a shame. But, they should not need posted rules... Enforcement to keep a large party orderly is awfully hard unless the pary goers start out with some common sense. As long as the students are such a big part of tailgate, we ought to consider separating them or restricting them. I think we have two attendance problems, students and adults. This situation helps one hurts the other potentially. It isn't an issue of a large out of control party, it seems to be an issue of a small group of half-wits who like to play vulgar lyrics at a really loud level. No one needs to shut anything down or segregate the crowd, just send security around to remind the offenders of the posted rules. They will get the message, and if they refuse bring in the campus police to write a few citations. This is a lot better than letting this nonsense continue where the ultimate outcome will be offended tailgaters taking matters into their own hands. That is a confrontation you want to avoid at all costs. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 21, 2015 7:44:53 GMT -6
I agree that the idea of policing a party is very difficult. Maybe this song incident was a rare exception, and not such a big problem in light of that, but still, there is an issue when the party is more the thing than the game. That means our two sets of party goers have a different idea about the party.
Ive seen how tailgating works at the big football schools, and of course at IU and Purdue, too, but haven't been to so many tailgates at the MAC schools. That's why I asked about that above. If a student lot is what they do and it works elsewhere, maybe we ought to try it.
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Post by bsu65 on Oct 21, 2015 10:15:28 GMT -6
I agree that the idea of policing a party is very difficult. Maybe this song incident was a rare exception, and not such a big problem in light of that, but still, there is an issue when the party is more the thing than the game. That means our two sets of party goers have a different idea about the party. Ive seen how tailgating works at the big football schools, and of course at IU and Purdue, too, but haven't been to so many tailgates at the MAC schools. That's why I asked about that above. If a student lot is what they do and it works elsewhere, maybe we ought to try it. I have been to every MAC school except Buffalo and where ever I have tailgated there were students but only a few, most schools do have a student tailgating lot. |
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