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Post by reevo on Mar 9, 2019 21:14:10 GMT -6
It is hard to believe one of the more influential member of the BOT was part of the best team in the history of BSU. You would think Mr. Hall would nut up and voice his opinion but these days, all Rick Hall wants is to be a political player. Not sure he gives a damn anymore about the basketball program. Rick Majerus is rolling over in his grave at what Mr. Hall has become!
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Post by Hoopsmith on Mar 9, 2019 21:31:25 GMT -6
Rick Majerus is rolling over in his grave at what Mr. Hall has become! Easy there. During his time here, Majerus was also fond of saying, "let's remember who we are," or some such indicating to enjoy the ride and not expect us to become some basketball factory overnight. Hall may be a "political player," but who'd you rather have on the BOT representing the whole of the university, or just carrying water for the athletic department? Hell, nominate Bonzi for the Board if it floats your boat. Hall was damn near a Rhodes Scholar, and captain of one of BSU's most decorated teams, and deserves better than what you just wrote.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 21:37:28 GMT -6
2 more years??? Which means I will continue to not waste my time following Ball State basketball. I'm fed up with watching and following undisciplined, lazy, and incompetent teams perform like this due to a piss poor coach. He does not teach defense, rebounding, ball security, team play, or hustle. The fact our administration does not understand what a good basketball team (and sports program) does for a university, including exposure for more quality student enrollment, is a joke. This team was way too talented to end with this half assed record overall and in the MAC. I am over North America for business, and when I travel and tell people where I went to school, they say they have heard of it because of basketball. Really?? Those days are fading fast under this dipshit. I'm not sure what the attendance was on Friday but........that might be the absolute HIGH water mark for the next couple of years. Next year, EVERYONE will get a tee shirt on Senior Night and the concessions people should only get about a couple dozen hot dogs for $1 Weenie Night.
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Post by reevo on Mar 9, 2019 21:56:22 GMT -6
Rick Majerus is rolling over in his grave at what Mr. Hall has become! Easy there. During his time here, Majerus was also fond of saying, "let's remember who we are," or some such indicating to enjoy the ride and not expect us to become some basketball factory overnight. Hall may be a "political player," but who'd you rather have on the BOT representing the whole of the university, or just carrying water for the athletic department? Hell, nominate Bonzi for the Board if it floats your boat. Hall was damn near a Rhodes Scholar, and captain of one of BSU's most decorated teams, and deserves better than what you just wrote. Rick has been a part of some crappy hires in the athletic department as well our recent history of shitty Presidents. I am disappointed that a guy who benefited from his time as being in the basketball program would have more influence on budget and on our hires. The entire athletic department has become a nightmare and the blame starts at the very top. Rick happens to have a seat at the top of the mountain!
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Post by Hoopsmith on Mar 9, 2019 22:14:09 GMT -6
BSU has had a dysfunctional Board for some time. It is what it is, I guess. In spite of a circus act going on at times in Bracken Mansion, I'd say the academic end and the University as a whole is doing all right. THE BOT is in charge of the whole ship, not just the athletics line on the balance sheet. I'd like to have dominant, winning teams too, but at the cost of operating a first-class school? Most of Muncie and the surrounding area could give a damn for BSU athletics, and probably doesn't have the stomach to field a powerhouse in any of the major D-1 sports. We "are who we are," for better or worse.
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Post by ruffledfeathers on Mar 10, 2019 9:22:59 GMT -6
Reevo and Hoopsmith are both correct. Remember it was RF on the old board who always said "a fish rots from the head". Learned my lesson as you have to learn who the "head" is. I called for the firing of Bill Lynch early on in the 20 something losing streak. Wanted to start a pool for the date of that firing while attending a BSU-Army game at West Point. YesMan wouldn't allow it. Lynch was not a good coach, but I learned form a CVC board member his hands were tied in recruiting by the WAD. When living in IN I was much more informed of the goings on in athletics by friends who served on the CVC board. The rot was always higher than I thought. I now believe both Reevo and Hoopsmith are on the money. It is the entire BOT. Are these people still appointed by the IN legislature? If so, then they may be the the fish head.
Whatever, I hold out little hope the Cards will ever excel in any of the men's sports. The Golden years in men's sports were the late 80's to mid nineties. Men's cross country was nationally ranked. That program no longer exits. Football won the MAC championship in 1989 and again in 1993 under Paul Sheudel. MAC championships in men's basketball in 1989, 1990, 1993, 1995. Number one in the nation ranked men's doubles team in the early 1990's, Men qualify for the NCAA individual diving championships, men's volleyball in the Final Four. Baseball was the only unsuccessful program I can remember from that era under Pat Quinn. It was a great time to be a Cardinal fan. But that was then. Times have changed, thanks to the WAD, Gora Budd and the BOT.
Go Cards!
RF
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Post by sweep on Mar 10, 2019 9:41:06 GMT -6
Reevo and Hoopsmith are both correct. Remember it was RF on the old board who always said "a fish rots from the head". Learned my lesson as you have to learn who the "head" is. I called for the firing of Bill Lynch early on in the 20 something losing streak. Wanted to start a pool for the date of that firing while attending a BSU-Army game at West Point. YesMan wouldn't allow it. Lynch was not a good coach, but I learned form a CVC board member his hands were tied in recruiting by the WAD. When living in IN I was much more informed of the goings on in athletics by friends who served on the CVC board. The rot was always higher than I thought. I now believe both Reevo and Hoopsmith are on the money. It is the entire BOT. Are these people still appointed by the IN legislature? If so, then they may be the the fish head. Whatever, I hold out little hope the Cards will ever excel in any of the men's sports. The Golden years in men's sports were the late 80's to mid nineties. Men's cross country was nationally ranked. That program no longer exits. Football won the MAC championship in 1989 and again in 1993 under Paul Sheudel. MAC championships in men's basketball in 1989, 1990, 1993, 1995. Number one in the nation ranked men's doubles team in the early 1990's, Men qualify for the NCAA individual diving championships, men's volleyball in the Final Four. Baseball was the only unsuccessful program I can remember from that era under Pat Quinn. It was a great time to be a Cardinal fan. But that was then. Times have changed, thanks to the WAD, Gora Budd and the BOT. Go Cards! RF The combination of Jo Ann Gora and Hollis Hughes were an absolute disaster for this University. It's going to take another decade to fix the issues that duo created.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 10, 2019 10:11:49 GMT -6
Only curious, but what did Hollis do?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 10, 2019 14:06:06 GMT -6
I cant contribute to these conversations as I do not know any of them but Ill I will believe you guys
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Post by sweep on Apr 5, 2019 10:40:28 GMT -6
Heady is an interesting choice, he might be pretty good. Here is a guy I would bring in for an interview: ohiostatebuckeyes.com/coach/mike-schrage/Top notch recruiter, and a really personable guy who understands the figurehead part of the job. Former Director of Basketball Operations at Duke? Instantly intriguing to me! Mike Schrage apparently is the new coach at Elon.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 5, 2019 11:43:38 GMT -6
If you want budget for next one...build it in If you want to attract best let it be known own you are serious. You are a moron. I have always been one to encourage out-of-the-box thinking, but this is just stupid and ethically wrong. Ethically wrong to show you mean business? Wrong to build a budget? That is exactly how university budgeting has to be done in areas where we are woefully behind on salary. It is almost impossible to reallocate big money in this situation. But it is possible to do it over a few years at a time, until the bump you need is possible.
Somehow better to penny pinch and not get to a long term goal by avoiding the steps now that would help with that?
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Post by sweep on Apr 5, 2019 12:25:14 GMT -6
You are a moron. I have always been one to encourage out-of-the-box thinking, but this is just stupid and ethically wrong. Ethically wrong to show you mean business?
Yes it is ethically wrong to reward bad employees. Is this the kind of brilliance you display when consulting private sector businesses.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 5, 2019 14:09:03 GMT -6
Ethically wrong to show you mean business?
Yes it is ethically wrong to reward bad employees. I this the kind of brilliance you display when consulting private sector businesses. A long term contract is a reality in college coaching. Salary and guarantees show you are committed. Rewards are built in with bonus and incentives. Giving that when unwarranted indeed might be unethical. Expecting success while failing to pay and failing to give support for staff is perhaps also unethical, and of course a little foolish if you really expect results.
If you really want success, you are willing to pay for it. Low paid coaches relative to their peers have had some fairly rare successes, true, but that is not the strategy anyone follows who wants their best odds. No good program follows that strategy.
I suspect you know only a little about university budgets and what strategy is necessary to make them work, it is not always what would work best in a public sector setting, there you are not bound by government constraints, have a lot more flexibility and opportunity to take risks.
Who knows about brilliant, but my private sector businesses are quite happy with the advice I give and pay well enough for it to expect it.
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 5, 2019 14:40:59 GMT -6
Did you mention to them that you were in favor of extending Whitford?
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 5, 2019 14:58:50 GMT -6
Did you mention to them that you were in favor of extending Whitford? Perhaps BSU basketball and good business have little in common.
But then I was never really all that excited one way or the other on the extension. Probably the best idea. I don't recall anyone who really was 100% on that idea although at the time after the decision I did think it was defensible once he made the call.
For a guy like you who wants bold out the box thinking on BSU basketball, this is a cautionary tale. It will always be risky.
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