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Post by sweep on Apr 6, 2019 10:37:35 GMT -6
Saw that story.
In your never ending quest to dis our recruits it looks like there may be a disappointment for you. Luke seems to be listed on the official site as "Invited - Unable to Attend"
I am not trying trying to "dis" anyone, the list in the Star doesn't have him as invited even in the selected but unable to attend category.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 6, 2019 12:03:58 GMT -6
In your never ending quest to dis our recruits it looks like there may be a disappointment for you. Luke seems to be listed on the official site as "Invited - Unable to Attend"
I am not trying trying to "dis" anyone, the list in the Star doesn't have him as invited even in the selected but unable to attend category. Yeah, sure. It was a little bit of a surprise. But. Does the story also refer to some "attitude issue?"
I missed that part, only in your "neutral" report do I see any reference to such a thing.
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 6, 2019 18:58:55 GMT -6
Oops, you are back to misunderstanding the position I have advocated. IF you extend or change coaches, don't penny pinch, pay well. No, everyone understands the position you advocated: the extension. We understand it all too well.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 6, 2019 19:49:24 GMT -6
Oops, you are back to misunderstanding the position I have advocated. IF you extend or change coaches, don't penny pinch, pay well. No, everyone understands the position you advocated: the extension. We understand it all too well. I defended it after the fact as reasonable. Not an advocate for it before. There is a difference.
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Post by purplecats on Apr 6, 2019 21:37:22 GMT -6
Maybe an oversight on the list? A number of those unable to attend were on spring break from a post I saw on a group discussion.
Not sure if the coaches still use that work out to assess kids as they assemble the All Star team. Seem to remember pre Charlie Hall that was how they did it.
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Post by purplecats on Apr 6, 2019 21:46:19 GMT -6
Interesting perspective from a different voice. You have not lived day to day through the aftermath of a series of decisions leading to the current situation.
I am not sure what that means.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 6, 2019 22:56:02 GMT -6
Interesting perspective from a different voice. You have not lived day to day through the aftermath of a series of decisions leading to the current situation. I am not sure what that means. Just a lot of history and frustration means that you are a little too reasonable. Also about 4 conversations going on at once. Chaotic, par for our course. Don't expect much in response to your post.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 6, 2019 22:58:16 GMT -6
Maybe an oversight on the list? Official site has it. Reporter screwed up.
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Post by rgmillikan on Apr 7, 2019 7:07:50 GMT -6
I see no current need for an extension. Perhaps after a MAC championship next year? But I do certainly think we need to pay our coaches better than we do. How do you know BSU can actually afford to pay well? Are you the athletic department's controller? It was proven with Billy Taylor that three university couldn't afford to buyout the last 2 seasons of his contract or else he would of been let go when the team nosedived in 2011-12. It's pretty obvious the problem is the wrong coaches too much rope based on hope and unfulfilled potential. I guess we can make the same extension mistake with the next coach in X number of years and ignore the current and Taylor tenures. I could at least somewhat understand Buckleys 2002 extension, although he inherited the majority of that talented roster from McCollum.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 7, 2019 7:37:12 GMT -6
Why can't we?
100K a year would make a difference. Short term that's not that much.
Start there.
Long term it means the University has to raise more. Make it more priority in raising outside money, increase revenue, in order to sustain that, and increase it.
You hear it here. "I loved the glory, best thing to happen in my life". Right there with "I don't support the University." Some of the same people saying both.
People say we can draw 6,000, maybe more. And. They say, "I won't pay to watch."
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 7, 2019 7:44:59 GMT -6
We had the money to pay Ray better, seek a better coach than Buckley. To hire people we couldn't, didn't when we hired Ronnie.
Not sure anyone could be paid enough more after his tenure to make a fast turn around, but we didn't treat it as the colossal train wreck it was. Assumed a nice cheap soft spoken black coach could smooth it all over.
I agree we have to spend wisely what we have. But we need more than talk to prove we want the best to get the best, at any price point.
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Post by bsu0 on Apr 7, 2019 9:04:53 GMT -6
At the level that Ball State is at, we can pay, and the type of players we recruit (at least in the past) I will suggest we hire a coach that teaches good fundamentals and not a cheerleader. I don't give a rat's ass if the guy is an assistant at a ''major'' school or not, we need a fundamentals coach IMHO. I believe college coaching experience is essential but youth should be in the picture also because the road that they will have to travel to success will demand many hard hours. A new day, a young enthusiastic staff, and some new talented recruits (which I believe we CAN get) will bring a shot of adrenaline into a tired old program that has seen little light lately.
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Post by cardfan on Apr 7, 2019 9:44:38 GMT -6
It all sounds so easy, right?
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 7, 2019 10:01:53 GMT -6
With costs escalating n sports and overall budget shrinking at mid majors, it is not easy. Schools that can make basketball a priority have a real advantage. It's not just dollars. Makes the job more attractive, and means more attention to problems and more support from administration and also more resources. We have to compete with them in hiring. The AD who is trying to do well in two sports will have a tougher job.
As everyone realizes the structure of coaching contracts which will involve a 5 year commitment makes decisions very high stake. Risky. Good decisions do go wrong. Plus. High costs if you make even a slight mistake. With everyone wanting a winner it is competitive.
So. No. It is not easy.
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Post by cardfan on Apr 7, 2019 10:11:17 GMT -6
Exactly.
What makes it even harder is 20 years worth of bad decisions and choices.
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