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Post by 00hmh on Apr 1, 2019 19:44:32 GMT -6
As far as the jumping off topic... Yea we have ADD Almost a rule we not pay too much attention. Very frustrating, maybe harmful to our mental health, given our various addled demented dysfunctions to have to draw within the lines very long.
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Tim Miles
Apr 1, 2019 19:49:51 GMT -6
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Post by ballman on Apr 1, 2019 19:49:51 GMT -6
Quit the ADD people...let's focus on the topic. Tim Miles did awesome job at CSU until he bailed on us for greener pastures in Lincoln. Yes, he will find work at a mid-major soon given his recruiting abilities.
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Post by lmills72 on Apr 1, 2019 20:03:06 GMT -6
Sorry that I am posting this in the Tim Miles thread. But this thread is a typlical of most on this BSU Fans board: A statement is made and within a few short remarks the thread is stolen by those of negative thoughts. Actually, the original post was negative. I mean, it was basically, "If I had a boatload of cash I'd gladly pay it to get rid of our worthless coach." Does that become a positive statement just because the poster suggested replacing him with someone who would bring enthusiasm to the program? I don't think so. And, of course, then someone pipes up telling other folks what to do with their money. Always a bad idea. Hell, he might as well have just started a thread named "Republicans vs. Democrats." Good luck finding your rah-rah forum.
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 2, 2019 5:52:35 GMT -6
Sorry that I am posting this in the Tim Miles thread. But this thread is a typlical of most on this BSU Fans board: A statement is made and within a few short remarks the thread is stolen by those of negative thoughts. For the past 52 years I have tried to keep in mind a statement made by one of my Freshman Physiology Professors, "A person does not make an unwise decision. When that decision was made, it was with the knowledge that the person had at that time. In the future with additional knowledge, the previous decision may be proven unwise". Your prof actually said that? A person does not make an unwise decision? Honestly, that may be the dumbest statement I’ve ever heard. I’ve made literally dozens of unwise decisions in my lifetime, some consciously and some unthinking. I pray you cited that only as an example of how stupid and naive many academics truly are. You might want to read through the thread "WTS Muncie Person of the Year", and evaluate the prof's statement in light of those incidents.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Apr 2, 2019 6:12:06 GMT -6
For the past 52 years I have tried to keep in mind a statement made by one of my Freshman Physiology Professors, "A person does not make an unwise decision. When that decision was made, it was with the knowledge that the person had at that time. In the future with additional knowledge, the previous decision may be proven unwise". So I assume everyone got an A on every test. After all, even if their info was wrong, they MEANT well. Utter feel-good bullshit. (Sorry Dan, I don't mean that personally, just that it's a cop-out by the prof.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 6:31:19 GMT -6
.......it’s these “thread turns” that keep us coming back for more, TRUTH
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Post by cardfan on Apr 2, 2019 6:41:12 GMT -6
Are you not entertained?
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 2, 2019 7:22:39 GMT -6
Quit the ADD people...let's focus on the topic. You realize what you just said...
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 2, 2019 7:35:03 GMT -6
"A person does not make an unwise decision. When that decision was made, it was with the knowledge that the person had at that time. In the future with additional knowledge, the previous decision may be proven unwise".
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 2, 2019 7:43:04 GMT -6
Your prof actually said that? A person does not make an unwise decision? Honestly, that may be the dumbest statement I’ve ever heard. I’ve made literally dozens of unwise decisions in my lifetime, some consciously and some unthinking. I pray you cited that only as an example of how stupid and naive many academics truly are. You might want to read through the thread "WTS Muncie Person of the Year", and evaluate the prof's statement in light of those incidents. Yeah, the WTS thread is a hall of fame of unwise action.
The prof's assumption that people act on knowledge, have enough knowledge to act when they do, and never make thoughtless decisions is a lot of assumptions.
OTOH while acting when you lack very much knowledge is dangerous, it is sometimes unavoidable. Then the question is whether that is unwise. We live in a world where we almost always have imperfect understanding and less than perfect information to act on.
On top of that many decisions even with all the available knowledge, are are uncertain as to the outcome, yet there can be good reason to act anyway.
I'd agree with him if he said a decision could be "wise" and it turns out to have been something you'd rather you hadn't done.
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Tim Miles
Apr 2, 2019 8:19:36 GMT -6
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 2, 2019 8:19:36 GMT -6
Quit the ADD people...let's focus on the topic. You realize what you just said... I do
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Post by lmills72 on Apr 2, 2019 17:22:14 GMT -6
I'm not sure I'd live my life based in part on what a physiology professor said regarding "unwise decisions."
Now if he wanted to talk about drinking alcohol and its effects on my liver, I might listen. But, when I was a freshman, probably not.
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Post by DanT on Apr 6, 2019 8:28:44 GMT -6
The basis of that lesson was in understanding why a person made the decision they did. It is the first step I have used in my many years of management in problem solving with an employee as to why they made the wrong decision. Once you have determined why the employee made their decision, then you have established whether the error was a lack of training (knowledge), miss understanding the training (needing additional knowledge) or the lack of competence of employee (begin disciplinary action).
Using this philosophy, I have been very successful in managing a work force to be self sufficient. Not creating friction (name calling), but creating a team (not me against you).
I am sorry that my attempt was misunderstood. The statement was immediately attacked by some, ridiculed by some. Thus giving proof to the progression of threads.
It was 4/1 when I made my declaration of leaving this forum. As a fan of Ball State, I could never leave.
But I know understand that many of you just attack as entertainment. And not out of hate. I now understand why you make the decisions you do, most of the time.
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Post by sweep on Apr 6, 2019 8:34:47 GMT -6
The basis of that lesson was in understanding why a person made the decision they did. It is the first step I have used in my many years of management in problem solving with an employee as to why they made the wrong decision. Once you have determined why the employee made their decision, then you have established whether the error was a lack of training (knowledge), miss understanding the training (needing additional knowledge) or the lack of competence of employee (begin disciplinary action). Using this philosophy, I have been very successful in managing a work force to be self sufficient. Not creating friction (name calling), but creating a team (not me against you). I am sorry that my attempt was misunderstood. The statement was immediately attacked by some, ridiculed by some. Thus giving proof to the progression of threads. It was 4/1 when I made my declaration of leaving this forum. As a fan of Ball State, I could never leave. But I know understand that many of you just attack as entertainment. And not out of hate. I now understand why you make the decisions you do, most of the time. Good Lord, stop with the lecturing. I don't know what type of people you managed, but a group of adult professionals would rip your head-off if you talked to them this way.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 6, 2019 8:52:18 GMT -6
The basis of that lesson was in understanding why a person made the decision they did. It is the first step I have used in my many years of management in problem solving with an employee as to why they made the wrong decision. Once you have determined why the employee made their decision, then you have established whether the error was a lack of training (knowledge), miss understanding the training (needing additional knowledge) or the lack of competence of employee (begin disciplinary action). Using this philosophy, I have been very successful in managing a work force to be self sufficient. Not creating friction (name calling), but creating a team (not me against you). I am sorry that my attempt was misunderstood. The statement was immediately attacked by some, ridiculed by some. Thus giving proof to the progression of threads. It was 4/1 when I made my declaration of leaving this forum. As a fan of Ball State, I could never leave. But I know understand that many of you just attack as entertainment. And not out of hate. I now understand why you make the decisions you do, most of the time. Good Lord, stop with the lecturing. I don't what type of people you managed, but a group of adult professionals would rip your head-off if you talked to them this way. His philosophy is obviously a sound one. Followed by any number of highly successful managers and team builders. You will note he is more than willing to discipline employee behavior where faulty decision making led to bad decisions. But he doesn't simply look at results.
If you want employees to take risks you have expect some decisions not to work out. The response to things not working out is to make sure the risk taken is in line with the risk preferences of the entity and whether they were good bets. NOT just whether the bet won or not.
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