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Post by cardfan on Mar 7, 2020 6:21:16 GMT -6
We finished strong the last two games and won 4 out of our last 5 to improve our position. That Is definitely better than previous years. Big credit for that. We recovered from the usual mid season slumber we take with that strong finish. Also big credit for that.
Now in Cleveland we’ll see what we’ve learned.
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Post by rgmillikan on Mar 7, 2020 8:16:00 GMT -6
I'm glad I was wrong about 9-9 MAC mark. 11-7 isnt amazing but its good enough for a bye to Cleveland. Hopefully they'll peak at the right time for the first time in 20 yr.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 7, 2020 8:31:53 GMT -6
We finished strong the last two games and won 4 out of our last 5 to improve our position. That Is definitely better than previous years. Big credit for that. We recovered from the usual mid season slumber we take with that strong finish. Also big credit for that. Now in Cleveland we’ll see what we’ve learned. I think I worry more about us in the first game where we are the favorite than in a second round game. This team has done better in the game where they are supposed to lose than the one where they are supposed to win in a lot of cases this year.
I doubt we learn anything except what we know. That we are a pretty good team when Teague is playing hard and avoiding foul trouble, that in something of a season long surprise, we can play gritty defense, and of course that when shoot well the game really looks easy.
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Post by david75bsu on Mar 7, 2020 9:24:08 GMT -6
I feel big difference at the end of the regular season is that our bench has developed. Thomas and Acree were the difference makers down the stretch. Without them we lose this game. They came on at just the right time. I feel their development gives us a good chance in the Tournament.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 7, 2020 10:28:20 GMT -6
10-8, 11/7 is pretty much whits ceiling it looks like. Not horrible but not great. Or maybe you should just say good job. With a board majority saying we'd be sub 500 this year, give staff and team some props. This didn't happen the way I thought it would either. They aren't quite as good as best case, but hit some marks that say it was a good coaching job. Here is my problem its not really a good job. Its just a mediocre job in a mediocre conference. Now if we were to win the conference tournament that would be a good job
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Post by sag on Mar 7, 2020 11:01:05 GMT -6
As ever, it always comes down to fans' standards. Kenpom has BSU as the second ranked MAC team at 114 at the end of the regular season (Kent State is the 3rd ranked MAC team btw), and 40 at defense if I'm reading that right. In my opinion that's good but understand that not being dominant and the first team in the MAC makes this team mediocre in many people's minds. That said, I'd like the team to be more consistent, better, and have recruits in the wings as well.
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 7, 2020 12:26:14 GMT -6
If we're using KenPom as some sort of judge, probably good to recognize that the average team ranking in the West (the division we won) is about 30 spots below the average team ranking in the East.
Ball State is about the only team in the West with a ranking higher than the East average (155).
Miami is the only team in the East worse than the West average (183.3).
So while our ranking is worthy of note, our winning of an inferior division ranks somewhere the in the mediocre category, IMO.
I would hope we prove to be more than mediocre in the tournament.
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Post by sag on Mar 7, 2020 12:45:56 GMT -6
No argument here on your numbers, but I was just pointing out that BSU is the second ranked team in the whole conference albeit 20-30 points lower than #1 ranked team.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 7, 2020 13:49:37 GMT -6
Bottom line is we are mediocre but thats good enough to win the MAC west. Winning the Mac West is good enough to take any real heat off Whit. In twenty years when most of us are Dead no one is going to look back and know the Mac West was just not very good.. Someone will say look BSU was MAC West champions in 2020.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 7, 2020 13:55:48 GMT -6
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Post by bsutrack on Mar 7, 2020 15:29:57 GMT -6
You probably want to move or re-post under the basketball recruiting thread. When you fail to fill your scholarships in the fall, this is the type of player you hope to luck into, assuming he develops into something special. Whit still needs to find a "bad ass" PF who knows how to rebound and defend the post. Those guys are a lot harder to find and have eluded Whitford for the past 7 years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 15:30:58 GMT -6
Bottom line is we are mediocre but thats good enough to win the MAC west. Winning the Mac West is good enough to take any real heat off Whit. In twenty years when most of us are Dead no one is going to look back and know the Mac West was just not very good.. Someone will say look BSU was MAC West champions in 2020. Isn’t MAC “west champion” a fictitious accolade? The divisions are just a geographic assignment by the conference. If it was a true championship, it would be determined by only games played within that group of teams and I don’t think that is the case. Presently, the non-west portion of each team’s schedule is not identical between the schools. There is a MAC regular season champion and a MAC tournament champion.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Mar 7, 2020 17:52:19 GMT -6
Bottom line is we are mediocre but thats good enough to win the MAC west. Winning the Mac West is good enough to take any real heat off Whit. In twenty years when most of us are Dead no one is going to look back and know the Mac West was just not very good.. Someone will say look BSU was MAC West champions in 2020. Isn’t MAC “west champion” a fictitious accolade? The divisions are just a geographic assignment by the conference. If it was a true championship, it would be determined by only games played within that group of teams and I don’t think that is the case. Presently, the non-west portion of each team’s schedule is not identical between the schools. There is a MAC regular season champion and a MAC tournament champion. Yes. If we were regular season champs we’d totally ignore the division championship.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 8, 2020 10:50:27 GMT -6
Bottom line is we are mediocre but thats good enough to win the MAC west. Winning the Mac West is good enough to take any real heat off Whit. In twenty years when most of us are Dead no one is going to look back and know the Mac West was just not very good.. Someone will say look BSU was MAC West champions in 2020. Well we are a mid major in a mid major conference. Consistently around #12 of 30+ D1 conferences.
There are 6 conferences clearly major college with major college budget and and several more conferences with teams that have significantly bigger BB budgets compared to the MAC.
To me "mediocre" seems a bit perjorative, but if you just mean middle of the pack I suppose accurate, although, the conference is at the top of that second 1/3.
Perhaps you are influenced by our high status in FB and the glamour that comes as one of the giants in the same grouping as the major schools, but give us some credit. I agree MAC West doesn't mean much, and the nationally recognized and more memorable teams will be the ones that play 3 good games in Cleveland, get to the NCAA. But as an AD or alum of a good mid major school in a good mid major conference, there is reason to be proud of our teams that are almost always in your terms "mediocre."
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Post by david75bsu on Mar 8, 2020 11:12:04 GMT -6
Bottom line is we are mediocre but thats good enough to win the MAC west. Winning the Mac West is good enough to take any real heat off Whit. In twenty years when most of us are Dead no one is going to look back and know the Mac West was just not very good.. Someone will say look BSU was MAC West champions in 2020. Well we are a mid major in a mid major conference. Consistently around #12 of 30+ D1 conferences.
There are 6 conferences clearly major college with major college budget and and several more conferences with teams that have significantly bigger BB budgets compared to the MAC.
To me "mediocre" seems a bit perjorative, but if you just mean middle of the pack I suppose accurate, although, the conference is at the top of that second 1/3.
Perhaps you are influenced by our high status in FB and the glamour that comes as one of the giants in the same grouping as the major schools, but give us some credit. I agree MAC West doesn't mean much, and the nationally recognized and more memorable teams will be the ones that play 3 good games in Cleveland, get to the NCAA. But as an AD or alum of a good mid major school in a good mid major conference, there is reason to be proud of our teams that are almost always in your terms "mediocre."
Agree 100%. Being the best of the West, a three seed, and rated by most as the second best team in the conference is pretty damn good. We aren’t the Big 10, Big East, etc. and will never be - that’s life. If you want that shit you should have went to Purdue, TSIB, Butler, etc. Love my Cards, proud of the year! Would I like to see a Card team as capable as our Sweet Sixteen team - Damn right. Being realistic, in the MAC that will always be a rare bird for any MAC team. I want us to be competitive in the MAC, if we are I’m happy. This year we were/are competitive.
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