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Post by cardfan on Jan 10, 2020 9:21:20 GMT -6
Right? He’s assuming some will move the goalposts AFTER a MAC championship, when in fact what we are hungry for is that championship. Win and most bitching subsides, at least for awhile. Every coach has flaws. Most Fans can tolerate all kinds of things if a coach wins. If a coach doesn’t win then obviously the flaws will be magnified And complained about.
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Buffalo
Jan 10, 2020 9:39:11 GMT -6
Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 10, 2020 9:39:11 GMT -6
Hell if he wins a championship he probably gets a lifetime contract
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Post by cardfan on Jan 10, 2020 9:44:44 GMT -6
Hell if he wins a championship he probably gets a lifetime contract Let’s not get hasty.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 10, 2020 9:51:30 GMT -6
I don't think Kid's point is fair. My standard is winning somewhat regular championships. Whit hasn't won any championships and therefore has never met my standard. I acknowledge that Kid's comment was directed at "some of you" and I'm probably not in that group since Kid and I get along. But I think the same analysis applies to others. For his point to be fair he has to show how the specific individuals moved the goalposts.
I doubt Whitford has met anybody's standard in that sense. Not sure what counts as somewhat regular, but none doesn't cut it! Fans tend to value the championships, sometimes only that. I get it.
Just give us that chance most years. Top 3 or 4 most years. You and I may not be so far apart on that standard. I am willing to give him some credit for and enjoy a lot of what we do have. And have some other priorities as well, not related directly to W-L record. Or, overcoming the CURSE in any given year.
I think the question Kid raises is more about those who are prone to look at anything he does and say it is not just below standard, but for some it is incompetent or lazy or whatever. Every recruit is a failed recruit. Every loss poor coaching. Any win is just a fluke game which means little or nothing. And so on. I'd like to see less of that.
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Buffalo
Jan 10, 2020 14:55:27 GMT -6
Post by thebsukid on Jan 10, 2020 14:55:27 GMT -6
00hmh......exactly what I meant! Regardless of what Whit does he never seems to get credit! I understand he has yet to Win a championship, but some of his recruits are playing pretty well or have played pretty well....Persons, Teague, Mallers, Ish, etc Even though Sweep said although he's not hear to defend himself that Coleman will never be a player that point seems to be well off the mark. I can not remember every adjustment Whit has made nor am I applauding all of them, but maybe just maybe he is getting better....I can think of two specific adjustments lately that have in my view been pretty effective....he put Coleman at the PG position albeit he is not a typical PG but it seems to be working...the other night he had KJ running the baseline which seemed to better use his skill set. These are just a couple of examples.
My point is simply it always seems to be Whits fault....I understand that he is ultimately responsible, but for gosh sakes credit the guy for certain things occasionally.
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Buffalo
Jan 10, 2020 15:15:17 GMT -6
Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 10, 2020 15:15:17 GMT -6
Hell if he wins a championship he probably gets a lifetime contract Let’s not get hasty. I was jokingish
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Jan 10, 2020 16:03:15 GMT -6
00hmh......exactly what I meant! Regardless of what Whit does he never seems to get credit! I understand he has yet to Win a championship, but some of his recruits are playing pretty well or have played pretty well....Persons, Teague, Mallers, Ish, etc Even though Sweep said although he's not hear to defend himself that Coleman will never be a player that point seems to be well off the mark. I can not remember every adjustment Whit has made nor am I applauding all of them, but maybe just maybe he is getting better....I can think of two specific adjustments lately that have in my view been pretty effective....he put Coleman at the PG position albeit he is not a typical PG but it seems to be working...the other night he had KJ running the baseline which seemed to better use his skill set. These are just a couple of examples. My point is simply it always seems to be Whits fault....I understand that he is ultimately responsible, but for gosh sakes credit the guy for certain things occasionally. I also question whether that's fair.
If you simply posed the question in a poll: "are some of Whit's recruits playing pretty well or played pretty well" I think you'd get more yeses than nos. That's also the lowest bar I can imagine. So how much credit does he deserve for that?
My standard is winning occasional championships, so I'll admit I don't make a big deal about praising Whit when Teague plays to his potential one game in early January or if moving Coleman to the point appears to have been a good move halfway through the season. If you want to criticize that position that's fine; just don't say that because I don't care about his little successes I wouldn't also be satisfied if he accomplished the only goal I actually care about.
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Post by reevo on Jan 10, 2020 16:03:39 GMT -6
00hmh......exactly what I meant! Regardless of what Whit does he never seems to get credit! I understand he has yet to Win a championship, but some of his recruits are playing pretty well or have played pretty well....Persons, Teague, Mallers, Ish, etc Even though Sweep said although he's not hear to defend himself that Coleman will never be a player that point seems to be well off the mark. I can not remember every adjustment Whit has made nor am I applauding all of them, but maybe just maybe he is getting better....I can think of two specific adjustments lately that have in my view been pretty effective....he put Coleman at the PG position albeit he is not a typical PG but it seems to be working...the other night he had KJ running the baseline which seemed to better use his skill set. These are just a couple of examples. My point is simply it always seems to be Whits fault....I understand that he is ultimately responsible, but for gosh sakes credit the guy for certain things occasionally. 98-111 Regular season 43-67 MAC This is all that needs to be said after 7 years.
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Buffalo
Jan 10, 2020 16:15:59 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Jan 10, 2020 16:15:59 GMT -6
Even disregarding the first 2 seasons, the record is not great. The trend includes the disappointing season last year. Really needs a good performance this year.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 10, 2020 16:27:16 GMT -6
And a rousing 2 MAC TOURNEY Wins. Yep
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Post by realitycheck on Jan 10, 2020 16:39:15 GMT -6
00hmh......exactly what I meant! Regardless of what Whit does he never seems to get credit! I understand he has yet to Win a championship, but some of his recruits are playing pretty well or have played pretty well....Persons, Teague, Mallers, Ish, etc Even though Sweep said although he's not hear to defend himself that Coleman will never be a player that point seems to be well off the mark. I can not remember every adjustment Whit has made nor am I applauding all of them, but maybe just maybe he is getting better....I can think of two specific adjustments lately that have in my view been pretty effective....he put Coleman at the PG position albeit he is not a typical PG but it seems to be working...the other night he had KJ running the baseline which seemed to better use his skill set. These are just a couple of examples. My point is simply it always seems to be Whits fault....I understand that he is ultimately responsible, but for gosh sakes credit the guy for certain things occasionally. 98-111 Regular season 43-67 MAC This is all that needs to be said after 7 years. Has he ever recruited or better yet developed a 1st-team All Mac player? Have our teams progressed or regressed as the season waned?
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Post by thebsukid on Jan 10, 2020 17:50:20 GMT -6
I did not defend his record, performance in MAC tournaments, etc but simply Saying he has recruited some good players, won some big games, etc.
My point is outside of a few people there have been very few comments of praise of Whit! You can agree to what I’ve said or disagree, but I believe even when someone has not performed to my expectations I try to give them positive feedback when they do something well. That’s just my style.
Reality, I believe we have had some 2nd and/or 3rd team MAC performers during Whits tenure but no 1st team but after this season I’m fairly confident you won’t be able to say that.
By the way, anyone know the last time we had a player on the Henson watch list?
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