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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Feb 13, 2020 11:06:21 GMT -6
Don't let four idiots desecrate this first HoF class without at least having your say. Da fuq? You mean THREE idiots and ONE sociopath, thankyouverymuch...
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Post by lmills72 on Feb 15, 2020 15:05:16 GMT -6
The inaugural class in the OTP-Ball State Men’s Basketball Hall of Fame was announced earlier today during a celebration prior to the BSU-Bowling Green game. Members of the first class are listed below.
Bonzi Wells (39 points): Wells played from 1994-98 and is the all-time leading scorer in program history. One of two players whose jersey hangs in Worthen Arena, Wells is a Muncie native who was a first-round pick (11th selection) of the Detroit Pistons in the 1998 NBA draft. Wells played 12 years in the league with five different teams, his most productive years in Portland. At Ball State, the 6-5 guard was MAC freshman of the year in 1995 and first team all-MAC the next three years, including being named MAC player of the year in 1996 and 1998. He was also on numerous regional and all-America lists. His teams were 72-44 and went to one NCAA tournament and one NIT. In addition to being the school’s leading scorer, Wells was also sixth in rebounding, sixth in assists and first in steals.
Ray McCallum (37 points): McCallum played from 1979-83 and is second only to Wells on the all-time scoring list. He also happens to be another Muncie native and the only other player whose jersey hangs in the arena. McCallum was a true ironman, averaging 36 minutes a game during his career is remains the school all-time leader in minutes played. The 5-9 McCallum was the recipient of the Naismith-Baksetball Hall of Fame Award, honoring the best player in the nation under 6 feet in height and was an 8th-round pick of the Indiana Pacers in 1983. His teams compiled a 68-48 record, won 2 MAC titles, and made the school’s first NCAA appearance. He was a MAC freshman of the year and 3 time all-MAC first-teamer, along with being MAC player of the year in 1983.
Dan Palombizio (24 points): Palombizio (1984-86) ranks 12th on the school’s all-time scoring list and 13th among all-time rebounders despite playing just 2 years after transferring from Purdue. In 1984-85, he had the most prolific scoring season in school history with 762 points. Like McCallum, Palombizio could be counted on for major minutes, averaging 36 a game. The 6-8 forward was picked in the seventh round of the 1986 NBA draft by the Philadelphia 76ers. He was a two-time all-MAC first-teamer and the MAC tournament MVP in 1986 as he led his team into the NCAA Tournament.
Theron Smith (23 points): Smith played from 1999-2002 for the Cardinals and ranks in the top 10 in school history for both scoring (seventh) and rebounding (fifth), despite having having his senior season cut short by injury after just 3 games. The 6-8 forward was the MAC freshman of the year in 2000, an all-conference second teamer in 2001 and a first teamer in 2002. His teams were 65-34, made one NCAA Tournament appearance and one NIT appearance, winning three games before losing in the quarterfinals.
Larry Bullington (19 points): Bullington played on the 1971-74 teams and was a prolific scorer during that time, finishing his career as the school’s all-time leading scorer with 1,747 points (since then passed by Wells and McCallum) after just three seasons of play. He was named to several district and regional teams and was twice an honorable mention all-American (Universal Sports and Sporting News). Bullington, a 6-2 guard, and Palombizio are tied for the school record for reaching 1,000 points the fastest (41 games). He averaged 23.6 points a game for his career, 25.5 his senior season.
Other voting for this years class: Steve Payne (17 points), Paris McCurdy (13), Chandler Thompson (11), Jim Regenold (10), Ed Butler (9), Curtis Kidd (5.5), Chris Williams (4.5), Skip Mills (3), Duane Clemens (2), Lonnie Smith (2), John Williams (1).
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 15, 2020 15:51:29 GMT -6
So do we add one each year?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 15:57:10 GMT -6
So do we add one each year? In two years we will be out of candidates.
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Post by lmills72 on Feb 15, 2020 16:29:39 GMT -6
So do we add one each year? In two years we will be out of candidates. I was thinking of classes of 5, and yes we will run out quickly. But this is a fan forum, and an aging one at that. We don't have decades to have our fun. We want immediate gratification. Hell, I think waiting a full year for another class might even be too long. What's the likelihood that I, or anyone else, will think to revive this thread next year? Pretty slim, I think.
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Post by lmills72 on Feb 15, 2020 16:31:59 GMT -6
BTW Rob, per your request I did not count your ballot.
However, if I had, you might be interested to know it would have added McCurdy to this year's class and knocked out Bullington. Nothing else would have changed.
FWIW
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Post by realitycheck on Feb 15, 2020 17:03:14 GMT -6
McCurdy is a first ballot next year then.
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Post by redfeather on Feb 17, 2020 12:22:22 GMT -6
There's a very tough decision right off the bat: Bonzi vs Ray for the 1 spot. A classic apples vs oranges choice.
No doubt that Bonzi was by far the superior player. But Ray meant more to the program overall, even if you don't factor in the coaching stint. I guess in a fantasy draft I take Bonzi first, but in the HOF I'll take Ray.
Here is a 3rd criteria that's very difficult. What if you are a coach, you are recruiting Bonzi and Ray and they both want to come but you have only one scholarship. And somehow you have full knowledge of what sort of college player both will be. Who do you choose? I think if I'm a MAC coach I might take Ray....I think, but if I'm and ACC coach I'd take Bonzi. (Remember, all Ray's stats are without the 3 pt shot, which would have been like a lay up for him) But more likely what I would do is plant drugs on one of my current players and kick them off the team, then take both. (Recruiters recruit!) Here’s something to consider though when comparing who had the highest value between Bonzi and Ray. When BSU played IU Ray’s senior year Randy Whitman pretty much kept Ray in check to the point Ray wasn’t going to beat IU that year despite Ray’s success, potential etc. However I strongly believe that under that same scenario IU would not have been able to contain Bonzi and he would have ended up still having an big impact on that type of game because he did every game regardless of the opponent. That’s why he had the pro career that he had. He could play and make a difference against high level talent. So in this regard Bonzi will always be the number one all time player for Ball State. I was in school at Ball State when Ray was there and watched him play all four years. A great player and deserves the consideration but always will be second best player as far as I’m concerned.
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Post by reevo on Feb 17, 2020 17:26:09 GMT -6
There's a very tough decision right off the bat: Bonzi vs Ray for the 1 spot. A classic apples vs oranges choice.
No doubt that Bonzi was by far the superior player. But Ray meant more to the program overall, even if you don't factor in the coaching stint. I guess in a fantasy draft I take Bonzi first, but in the HOF I'll take Ray.
Here is a 3rd criteria that's very difficult. What if you are a coach, you are recruiting Bonzi and Ray and they both want to come but you have only one scholarship. And somehow you have full knowledge of what sort of college player both will be. Who do you choose? I think if I'm a MAC coach I might take Ray....I think, but if I'm and ACC coach I'd take Bonzi. (Remember, all Ray's stats are without the 3 pt shot, which would have been like a lay up for him) But more likely what I would do is plant drugs on one of my current players and kick them off the team, then take both. (Recruiters recruit!) Here’s something to consider though when comparing who had the highest value between Bonzi and Ray. When BSU played IU Ray’s senior year Randy Whitman pretty much kept Ray in check to the point Ray wasn’t going to beat IU that year despite Ray’s success, potential etc. However I strongly believe that under that same scenario IU would not have been able to contain Bonzi and he would have ended up still having an big impact on that type of game because he did every game regardless of the opponent. That’s why he had the pro career that he had. He could play and make a difference against high level talent. So in this regard Bonzi will always be the number one all time player for Ball State. I was in school at Ball State when Ray was there and watched him play all four years. A great player and deserves the consideration but always will be second best player as far as I’m concerned. Great observation! Bonzi and T Smith are the two most talented players to play at BSU. You can also put Jarrod Jones in that conversation on talent alone. Ray was a fabulous shooter and a competitor. Something Jarrod Jones was not. Another great talent we only had for one year was Lamont Roland who ended up starting at LSU and was a great player for them.
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Post by CallingBS on Feb 17, 2020 18:22:25 GMT -6
I know it was a different era, but I don't see how Ed Butler can be left off the list.
Just bringing up Jarrod Jones' name put a scowl on my face. Thanks, Reevo. So much talent, but such a jerk who was extremely poorly handled by the coaching staff.
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Post by CallingBS on Feb 17, 2020 18:24:36 GMT -6
I haven't looked up career numbers, but man, Duane Clemons had a great career, as did Steve Payne. What about Peyton Stovall? The dude had 3 ACL tears and 3 head coaches, but persevered against all odds. He was also just a great ambassador for the university.
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Post by realitycheck on Feb 17, 2020 21:33:47 GMT -6
I haven't looked up career numbers, but man, Duane Clemons had a great career, as did Steve Payne. What about Peyton Stovall? The dude had 3 ACL tears and 3 head coaches, but persevered against all odds. He was also just a great ambassador for the university. Payne, McCurdy, Williams, Butler, Regenold Kidd, Chandler, Clemens, Wesley, Sylvester Petie, Butts, Boarden, Jarrod, Gillis Stovall, Persons, Teague, Lonnie, Stallings Cross, Shelton, Gooden, Franko, Trey
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Post by reevo on Feb 17, 2020 22:33:28 GMT -6
I haven't looked up career numbers, but man, Duane Clemons had a great career, as did Steve Payne. What about Peyton Stovall? The dude had 3 ACL tears and 3 head coaches, but persevered against all odds. He was also just a great ambassador for the university. Payne, McCurdy, Williams, Butler, Regenold Kidd, Chandler, Clemens, Wesley, Sylvester Petie, Butts, Boarden, Jarrod, Gillis Stovall, Persons, Teague, Lonnie, Stallings Cross, Shelton, Gooden, Franko, Trey Outstanding list!!!
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Post by reevo on Feb 17, 2020 22:49:18 GMT -6
How about the all “what could have been team”
Lamont Rolland- Transfer to LSU 2 year starter. Rawle Marshall. Transferred to Oakland played a couple of years in NBA. Maurice Acker. 3 Year starter at Marquette Kenny Pratt Led Iowa State in scoring and NCAA tournament Melvin Goings. Point guard starter at Tennessee Donald Fisher. McNeese State All Conference post player
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Post by cardfan on Feb 18, 2020 4:08:22 GMT -6
To further that thought Reevo, Pratt and Fisher would have played together for Hunsaker. But both were prop48 and fisher got the illegal benefits. Pratt may have too. I do remember someone in the athletic department telling me Pratt really really liked the night life while at bsu.
Can you see them on the same bsu team if they’d gotten eligible?
Roland had a speck of a GPA the semester before he transferred from bsu. But man he could play. Wasn’t even in shape at bsu and was a stud.
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