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Post by 00hmh on Feb 19, 2020 19:38:47 GMT -6
So what do we do? And why is the budget so bad? All the years of no one going to games finally catching up with us? Not just that. Costs for athletics increasing, revenue for mid majors hurting, here hurt maybe more than most by decline in Muncie economy and gate receipts. EVERY area of University is impacted by sticky to raise tuition, difficulty getting out of state students, by competition with online where even when we compete it's lower revenue. All in context of decrease in state funding, decline of Muncie community. We fund athletics largely by student fees. Lower for online students... Generous alumni can't make up difference despite good fund raising. Athletics can't find alumni dollars as easily. Giving there is lower priority for fund raisers and dollars funneled more to other areas. And that priority in budget after all is justified. We're in business of education, not sports entertainment. |
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Post by lmills72 on Feb 19, 2020 19:48:31 GMT -6
So what do we do? Just wait until Shitbird's contract is up and then send him packing? Has anyone ever done that, anywhere? And why is the budget so bad? All the years of no one going to games finally catching up with us? But, but, but.... we will HAVE to extend him so that it doesn’t affect our recruiting. Maybe the AD steps in and implements the “Sherman Plan” and hires some young gun as Associate Coach in ‘21 to absorb Whit’s Wisdom before taking over in ‘22 🤔 I think this is the huge chess match that's playing out. Whitford probably wasn't allowed to fill any of his 3 available scholarships and the plans were to divert the scholarship funds to buyout funds. However Whitford, in classic grand master style, countered by holding out KJ and going for the sixth year, thus reducing the potential buyout funds. The ball is now back in the admin's court. Can they convince KJ, or perhaps Hazen, to grad transfer? Can't wait for the next move. |
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Post by realitycheck on Feb 19, 2020 20:13:24 GMT -6
I think this staff is coaching for their jobs.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 19, 2020 20:32:41 GMT -6
I think this staff is coaching for their jobs. I completely agree |
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Post by cardfan on Feb 19, 2020 21:14:40 GMT -6
Whit has a funny way of coaching for his job.....
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 20, 2020 7:01:53 GMT -6
So what do we do? And why is the budget so bad? All the years of no one going to games finally catching up with us? Not just that. Costs for athletics increasing, revenue for mid majors hurting, here hurt maybe more than most by decline in Muncie economy and gate receipts. EVERY area of University is impacted by sticky to raise tuition, difficulty getting out of state students, by competition with online where even when we compete it's lower revenue. All in context of decrease in state funding, decline of Muncie community. We fund athletics largely by student fees. Lower for online students... Generous alumni can't make up difference despite good fund raising. Athletics can't find alumni dollars as easily. Giving there is lower priority for fund raisers and dollars funneled more to other areas. And that priority in budget after all is justified. We're in business of education, not sports entertainment. Where does losing >10 million $ per year on MAC football fit into your analysis? |
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 20, 2020 7:04:15 GMT -6
So what do we do? Just wait until Shitbird's contract is up and then send him packing? Has anyone ever done that, anywhere? And why is the budget so bad? All the years of no one going to games finally catching up with us? But, but, but.... we will HAVE to extend him so that it doesn’t affect our recruiting. Maybe the AD steps in and implements the “Sherman Plan” and hires some young gun as Associate Coach in ‘21 to absorb Whit’s Wisdom before taking over in ‘22 🤔 Except that the sort of person envisioned by my plan would rather scratch out his own eyeballs than spend of year of his life powerlessly sitting on Whitford's bench. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Feb 20, 2020 7:33:53 GMT -6
I could tell you some stories about the cheapskates at BSU, but I won't.
It's ridiculous, that's all I can tell you.
Whitford is not getting fired.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 8:27:54 GMT -6
Not just that. Costs for athletics increasing, revenue for mid majors hurting, here hurt maybe more than most by decline in Muncie economy and gate receipts. EVERY area of University is impacted by sticky to raise tuition, difficulty getting out of state students, by competition with online where even when we compete it's lower revenue. All in context of decrease in state funding, decline of Muncie community. We fund athletics largely by student fees. Lower for online students... Generous alumni can't make up difference despite good fund raising. Athletics can't find alumni dollars as easily. Giving there is lower priority for fund raisers and dollars funneled more to other areas. And that priority in budget after all is justified. We're in business of education, not sports entertainment. Where does losing >10 million $ per year on MAC football fit into your analysis? That's why the men's basketball program is fading into the sunset this season. Yep. That's it. |
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 20, 2020 8:36:37 GMT -6
Not just that. Costs for athletics increasing, revenue for mid majors hurting, here hurt maybe more than most by decline in Muncie economy and gate receipts. EVERY area of University is impacted by sticky to raise tuition, difficulty getting out of state students, by competition with online where even when we compete it's lower revenue. All in context of decrease in state funding, decline of Muncie community. We fund athletics largely by student fees. Lower for online students... Generous alumni can't make up difference despite good fund raising. Athletics can't find alumni dollars as easily. Giving there is lower priority for fund raisers and dollars funneled more to other areas. And that priority in budget after all is justified. We're in business of education, not sports entertainment. Where does losing >10 million $ per year on MAC football fit into your analysis? FB is largest line item in budget |
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 20, 2020 9:16:59 GMT -6
Where does losing >10 million $ per year on MAC football fit into your analysis? That's why the men's basketball program is fading into the sunset this season. Yep. That's it.
You're confusing two different perspectives. The football money pit is not responsible for this basketball season...nor is it even really responsible for the last 20 years of dismal basketball failure. That's due to terrible, failing leadership ranging from apathetic (Cunningham) to bumbling incompetent (Collins) to outright hostile (Seger). With intelligent, competent, focused leadership (e.g. Barry Collier) BSU basketball could have been winning these two decades even with the football drain.
Football is a longer-term, bigger-picture issue. Football, as its supporters often point out, ties us to the MAC, which ties us to football, which ties us to the MAC...and so on in an infinite loop of failure and waste. Football and MAC membership make it impossible to ever make a move like Butler did.
But anyway, that is a secondary issue with football. The main issue with football is that students and taxpayers are covering a >$10 million a year loss, on something they care nothing about, for the benefit of a very small and limited fanbase. this is just shamefully stupid, especially given the budget crunch as discussed above...not to mention he whole student debt issue.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 20, 2020 9:47:24 GMT -6
Good points. Almost completely agree.
One slight disagreement, all this is strongly related and the leadership issues do come in large part from consequences of past decisions which may not have been THAT bad at the time. . The decision to structure our athletics to include FB was at one time a bet most AD's would have made and how to solve the resulting problems now is not an easy one. IF a monumental mistake with 20-20 hindsight it clearly has consequences. Difficult budget problems lead to bad decisions elsewhere, and poor management decisions in the athletic department in one area bleed over and cause problems in other areas.
Bottom line it makes it very difficult not to go down the penny pinching pathway. Probably impossible certainly not easy for even a genius AD to produce the results we want going that way.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 20, 2020 10:15:28 GMT -6
Probably MAC football was a fairly sensible financial proposition in the past. Not really sure how far back you have to go...maybe the '70's? I'm just guessing.
Since then you've had title IX, but also the colossally idiotic mid-major football recruiting arms race, which dictates the need for ever more expensive frills and baubles. People have gone to jail for less egregious misuse of other people's money. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 14:42:27 GMT -6
That's why the men's basketball program is fading into the sunset this season. Yep. That's it.
You're confusing two different perspectives. The football money pit is not responsible for this basketball season... And yet, that's what this thread started on. Another tangential path. |
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Post by TakeMeBackto2008 on Feb 20, 2020 15:29:54 GMT -6
Perhaps, if we didn't spend so much money on football every year, we'd have a little more to spend on basketball? As in, enough to get rid of a losing basketball coach who's grown too comfortable and isn't building anything? Am I doing this right?
FBS mid-major football is a money pit. It always has been, and it always will be. Not sure why that bothers people.
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