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Post by bsu1 on Feb 20, 2020 15:52:48 GMT -6
Post this to it'll never happen. Drop D1 football and join the Missouri Valley Conference.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 16:24:21 GMT -6
How about figuring out the men's basketball leadership problem before cannibalizing another program.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 16:33:30 GMT -6
Perhaps, if we didn't spend so much money on football every year, we'd have a little more to spend on basketball? As in, enough to get rid of a losing basketball coach who's grown too comfortable and isn't building anything? Am I doing this right? FBS mid-major football is a money pit. It always has been, and it always will be. Not sure why that bothers people. I’m not exactly sure if you are being serious with this post or just flippant about the subject. I don’t think mid-major division 1 football of the early 70’s was even close to being a money pit for the athletic budgets of schools like Ball State. I can’t possibly offer any proof to support that opinion. Mid-level colleges were moving to university status, during that time, to compete for the increasing number of students seeking college educations. Moving up from their 1-AA athletic conferences made sense to try and cement their status as “Universities” against the larger, established state schools. In the beginning, this was just checking the box to say that you fit the mold. It seems to me that the subsequent competition of television coverage, and the advent of cable networks, escalated the exposure of college athletics to the point that money began flowing disproportionately to the successful programs. The game was on and the mid-majors didn’t have the alumni base or the historical athletic success to compete. Football becomes a money pit and you’ve got a pair of deuces and you’ve put too much money in the pot to fold.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 16:43:13 GMT -6
Fix the basketball success issue. With success comes fans in the stands, and hopefully increased gate receipts will help float the leadership retention program.
Let's first get successful at basketball, and see if fans want to support it.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 20, 2020 17:22:35 GMT -6
Both getting better leadership for basketball AND getting football off the backs of students and taxpayers are both good things on their own.
True, stopping the money bleed to football COULD possibly help get better basketball leadership but that is anything but certain.
If you did one or the other, or both in any order, that would be great, but most likely neither will happen
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 20, 2020 19:07:42 GMT -6
Fix the basketball success issue. With success comes fans in the stands, and hopefully increased gate receipts will help float the leadership retention program. Let's first get successful at basketball, and see if fans want to support it. It is a department budget. Revenue shared. BB gate is good, but that idea it is big money is not likely. This is not the same market it was in our best day. Lower, poorer population. Less interest in BB. More TV competition. Less student interest. It isn't coming back.
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Post by CallingBS on Feb 20, 2020 19:11:22 GMT -6
Football is no doubt PART of the basketball decline, but I see your point.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 20, 2020 19:38:57 GMT -6
Fix the basketball success issue. With success comes fans in the stands, and hopefully increased gate receipts will help float the leadership retention program. Let's first get successful at basketball, and see if fans want to support it. It is a department budget. Revenue shared. BB gate is good, but that idea it is big money is not likely. This is not the same market it was in our best day. Lower, poorer population. Less interest in BB. More TV competition. Less student interest. It isn't coming back. There's no way you can know that. I think it's just as likely a truly exciting team and a year or two of success could create a big splash here. All your poverty and population loss did not stop last year's New Castle sectional from being standing room only in the world's largest HS gym with lines out into the parking lot. Because there was good basketball to be watched.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 20, 2020 19:44:29 GMT -6
There's no way to say what this market really looks like because it's been crushed for 20 years under the dismal weight of Buckley, Thompson, Taylor and Whitford (who you continually make excuses for and whose extension you supported, by the way)
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Post by david75bsu on Feb 20, 2020 21:04:45 GMT -6
Fix the basketball success issue. With success comes fans in the stands, and hopefully increased gate receipts will help float the leadership retention program. Let's first get successful at basketball, and see if fans want to support it. The Cards are leading the MAC in basketball attendance with around 4500. In recent years it’s been more like 2500. Nice increase. Think if we really had a MAC championship team. Back in the best years we averaged almost 6500 and lead the MAC. With A good team maybe we could get back to 6500 (in a 12000 seat arena).
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Post by lmills72 on Feb 20, 2020 21:41:02 GMT -6
While you guys are just going back and forth debating the same old shit, I'm going to do something to solve our problems. Tonight before I go to bed I'm going to pray to the basketball gods that John Beilein — now having had enough of the NBA, and having had enough of the big-time college basketball, and having enough money to retire many times over — just wants to get back to his basketball roots and coach ... and he's even willing to do that in a place like Muncie.
This will be the real test of the power of prayer, but I figure there's a better chance of it happening than resolving anything else that's being discussed here.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 20, 2020 21:52:52 GMT -6
While you guys are just going back and forth debating the same old shit, I'm going to do something to solve our problems. Tonight before I go to bed I'm going to pray to the basketball gods that John Beilein — now having had enough of the NBA, and having had enough of the big-time college basketball, and having enough money to retire many times over — just wants to get back to his basketball roots and coach ... and he's even willing to do that in a place like Muncie. This will be the real test of the power of prayer, but I figure there's a better chance of it happening than resolving anything else that's being discussed here. I thought about this and then thought why bother.. It will never happen but Hell we can wish right
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Post by cardfan on Feb 20, 2020 21:55:23 GMT -6
We don’t have enough money in the entire athletic budget to pay him. But damn wouldn’t that be amazing ?
He’s gonna be back at P5 program.
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Post by lmills72 on Feb 20, 2020 22:19:55 GMT -6
We don’t have enough money in the entire athletic budget to pay him. But damn wouldn’t that be amazing ? He’s gonna be back at P5 program. On those increasingly frequent occasions where I get drunk and fantasize/hallucinate about things like this happening, I wonder about questions like this: If Goetz went to our athletic department sugar daddies and said: "We can have John Beilein as our men's basketball coach but I need the money to buy out Whitford and make Beilein the highest paid coach in the MAC," how much money do you think she could she raise? Hell, I'm a cheapskate and I'd even throw money at that. Somebody start a crowdfunding page. I think we'll raise a bit more cash than they did for the basketball team's trip to Costa Rica.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 21, 2020 6:08:10 GMT -6
There's no way to say what this market really looks like because it's been crushed for 20 years under the dismal weight of Buckley, Thompson, Taylor and Whitford (who you continually make excuses for and whose extension you supported, by the way) Product does count. One factor no doubt. But there is a way to see the market is different. Open your eyes. Population, income in Muncie, program connection to local HS basketball, competition on TV, student interest in college sports nationwide, these are all objectively down. Permanently. Our marketing is probably better now with social media, internet, but there is no pot of gold there. Modest improvement is possible. But be real, improving product will require investment I don't see happening. One factor if we did, relatively modest payoff even then. We are not going back to the Future.
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