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Coleman
Feb 25, 2020 13:11:05 GMT -6
Post by thebsukid on Feb 25, 2020 13:11:05 GMT -6
Among MAC freshmen in conference play, BSU's Jarron Coleman ranks first in rebounding (5.7 rpg), first in assists (3.3 apg) and second in scoring (10.6 ppg), behind only Miami's Dae Dae Grant (11.0). He has scored double figures in eight of the past nine games, including his three highest-scoring MAC games in his past three outings -- 17 versus Bowling Green, 15 at Buffalo and 19 against Eastern Michigan.
I'm simply going to say that Coleman may very well be the MAC Freshman of the Year or Newcomer of the Year; I'm not quite sure what the MAC awards are but he's definitely in the running.
While Halftime is not here to defend himself, I believe he and a few others said Coleman would not contribute a lot in his BSU career...there were a few others that tagged on to Halftime's belief.
I don't like all of his qualities as he turn's the ball over to much for my liking, but if he wins the award he not only proves he is going to offer a very good contribution over is career but I believe Whit and staff should get some credit for recruiting one of the top 2 Freshman....
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Coleman
Feb 25, 2020 13:15:36 GMT -6
Post by redbirdman on Feb 25, 2020 13:15:36 GMT -6
Yes & then they change the transfer rules. So does he now look good to somebody in a higher profile league? That is my fear that a rule change destroys MAC programs who bring in good players from HS.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 25, 2020 13:47:44 GMT -6
If the new transfer rules go through look for MAC level schools to get raided of that best young talent.
Whit has had two freshman of the year winners. And then what happened?
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Post by thebsukid on Feb 25, 2020 14:17:39 GMT -6
My point is simple...Coleman turns out to be what most would consider a very good MAC recruit. And, Bum looks to be pretty good too....just saying maybe the recruiting this last year or two has been a bit better than credited? Fair is fair, right? Talking strictly recruiting not coaching.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 25, 2020 14:24:27 GMT -6
He has been very good better than probably anyone expected. He needs to mature but I like a little showmanship and fire. I think his stats are a bit padded because of the minutes he is playing as compared to other freshman in the mac. He is deff in the running for freshman of the year but I would not bet on it because the voters never give BSU much credit for anything
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Post by realitycheck on Feb 25, 2020 14:52:00 GMT -6
My point is simple...Coleman turns out to be what most would consider a very good MAC recruit. And, Bum looks to be pretty good too....just saying maybe the recruiting this last year or two has been a bit better than credited? Fair is fair, right? Talking strictly recruiting not coaching. I trust my eyes more than I do pure stats. Coleman has been very good at times and just OK at other times. As you mentioned, he is careless with the ball too often. Has more TO's than assists which is not great for your primary ball-handler. His best asset is probably rebounding. Not an elite shooter or defender, yet. I would call him better than expected but not a very good recruit yet. But he's better than average and I like his fire. Just needs to control it. The jury is out on Bumb. His is scrappy, takes care of the ball and has been a streaky shooter. He has struggled with the pace of the game and the athleticism of opponents compared to high school which is common for freshmen. Your other recruits are Acree who hasn't done much despite a red shirt year, Huggins who is now in year 3 and not playing, Hendricks who is not ready to play, Kroft who is probably transfer-bound, Thomas who can't find the floor and struggles to remember our plays, KJ who has bailed and Hazen who is mediocre. Am I missing something?
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Post by reevo on Feb 25, 2020 14:59:21 GMT -6
My point is simple...Coleman turns out to be what most would consider a very good MAC recruit. And, Bum looks to be pretty good too....just saying maybe the recruiting this last year or two has been a bit better than credited? Fair is fair, right? Talking strictly recruiting not coaching. The recruiting is horseshit!!! Stats don't mean crap. It is all about the wins. They are not good enough at this point to lead this team to a MAC championship. Our interior recruiting is beyond horrendous. Sorry kid, but you and your ilk that continue spouting the Kool aide is getting tiresome. Nothing wrong about being positive but when is the positivity going to get us to the NCAA tournament? Win baby win and then we can talk about how good the recruiting is.
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Post by Hoopsmith on Feb 25, 2020 15:05:17 GMT -6
He has been very good better than probably anyone expected. He needs to mature but I like a little showmanship and fire. I think his stats are a bit padded because of the minutes he is playing as compared to other freshman in the mac. He is deff in the running for freshman of the year but I would not bet on it because the voters never give BSU much credit for anything Two valid points RMC... your last comment got me to thinking... I wonder who else from state media comprises the MAC media pollsters? Probably no one outside of The Star Press and our hometown broadcast crew. The Indy TV media? Not bloody likely. Ft. Wayne, your buddy took the Goodness of His Heart elsewhere. Meanwhile, everybody else is probably pulling from the Columbus, Akron, Cleveland, Toledo, Lansing, Detroit, Grand Rapids, Kazoo, and Chicago media markets. We're like the little sisters of the poor when it comes to generating publicity.
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Coleman
Feb 25, 2020 15:11:48 GMT -6
Post by DickHunsaker on Feb 25, 2020 15:11:48 GMT -6
Remember Xavier Turner
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Coleman
Feb 25, 2020 15:35:46 GMT -6
Post by thebsukid on Feb 25, 2020 15:35:46 GMT -6
You are entitled to your view Reevo, but I'd say having two Freshman on our team that are making significant contributions should be credited as having recruited pretty well!
And stats generally do mean something so we disagree again, and while we haven't won anything yet and may not we are in my view for the first time in a while in the hunt and may very well win the MAC West.
And, while I'd agree in part with your interior recruiting position the fact is that Teague may very well be the MAC POTY, and Moses was better than average albeit not a star.
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Post by realitycheck on Feb 25, 2020 15:45:45 GMT -6
Or it means we recruited poorly ahead of them. Coleman is averaging 10 and Luke 7 and they're playing 30 minutes a game because KJ won't play and Thompson is a walk-on.
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Coleman
Feb 25, 2020 15:58:51 GMT -6
Post by thebsukid on Feb 25, 2020 15:58:51 GMT -6
Partially true Reality, but Coleman can be very good and possibly Luke as well. KJ should be playing but I do not believe he can give it 100% so likely looking for 6th year??
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Post by reevo on Feb 25, 2020 16:08:46 GMT -6
Teague is NOT an interior player on a good team. He is a wing who is forced to play on the block occasionally. We have not had a true low post player (good one) in years.
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Post by realitycheck on Feb 25, 2020 16:11:27 GMT -6
I agree. Coleman has plenty of upside potential and is very versatile. IF he gets some critical feedback on his ball security and improves his shooting he could develop into a mini-Teague. I like Bumb a lot but worry that his size and defense may be a liability. But I disagree that our recruiting has been good overall. Too many projects and guys who are one-dimensional or cannot contribute consistently.
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Post by thebsukid on Feb 25, 2020 16:20:10 GMT -6
I agree on overall recruiting; I am simply saying some credit to the staff for these two recruits. I believe Teague is a # 4 on most MAC teams however he may be the POTY playing out of position.
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