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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 6, 2020 22:22:12 GMT -6
Yes, you are right Cardfan, I have been waiting for this team to get it together and the last two games we’d agree we’ve been pretty good! Thomas and Acree could be difference makers but I quite agree that Boogey must take care of the ball! I damn near shutter every time he dribbles the ball! Yea he has been bad the last few games.. Love his passion and I think he will be very good but its not working right now
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Post by bsu1 on Mar 7, 2020 5:34:44 GMT -6
I hate to admit it but this may be Whit's best coaching of his career. I know all the weaknesses the program has but in the last part of the season we had a commanding lead in a couple of games, the opponent made a run but we didn't falter and give up the lead. In the past we would have. And I love the bench development. Do I think he's the coach to take us to a top 75 level? Probably not.
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Post by realitycheck on Mar 7, 2020 6:06:17 GMT -6
The most impressive thing about this victory was the moment and circumstance, IMO. This is the first time in 7 years we have risen to the moment in March that I recall. Very proud of the Cards. I don’t know if Whit is a genius or a buffoon for waiting so long to give Thomas and Acree significant minutes instead of Hazen but they are so much more athletic, offensively gifted and gave us a huge boost in scoring and rebounding especially when Northern made their second half run. Acree’s two three point plays were absolutely huge as well as Mallers treys.
if we’re going to have a shot in Cleveland, Coleman MUST stop being so effing careless with the ball. El Amin and Teague too. That is gonna bite us in the ass against the better teams. Taj also needs to slow down and stop getting some of these stupid fouls that are limiting his minutes.
Last word, and this is just the old school in me, but please stop the classless hot dog 💩. Win with some class and don’t Be an ass.
Go Cards and see some of you in Cleveland! Chirp Chirp!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 8:15:03 GMT -6
A statistic that stands out going down the stretch (last 6 games) is the number of turnovers we committed during a 4-2 finish.
We averaged 16 TO's per game while our opponents were at 11 per game. Could be concerning in pressure of a tournament.
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Post by rgmillikan on Mar 7, 2020 8:19:03 GMT -6
Very clutch/solid performance to land a bye to the quarterfinals. I honestly didn't think BSU would win last night given their in-conference road woes. Teague and Mallers stepped up in their final regular season games.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 7, 2020 8:45:38 GMT -6
Yes, you are right Cardfan, I have been waiting for this team to get it together and the last two games we’d agree we’ve been pretty good! Thomas and Acree could be difference makers but I quite agree that Boogey must take care of the ball! I damn near shutter every time he dribbles the ball! Yea he has been bad the last few games.. Love his passion and I think he will be very good but its not working right now Not as bad as Sibande in Miami's meltdown. I wish he had a backcourt mate to share ball handling.
If all his mistakes were when he was trying to make a play, were errors trying to do something we want him to do and he just pushed the envelope I would not mind it.
Too often it's unforced where even one completely careless casual pass that is lost is one too many.
Some of this will improve with experience I suppose, but this is now postseason, no more time for development, he has to be under control. Stay focused is the first priority. Second, those times where he is way over the top trying to make a great play or a highlight reel pass that is in the bleachers, that has to stop.
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 7, 2020 11:42:21 GMT -6
You know If I were Whit.. I would throw the old curve at Kent come out and start. Coleman, Ish, Thomas. Teague and Mallers or Acree.. Have Acree/mallers and Luke first off the bench. Hell maybe Have Coleman come in off the bench and start Luke at more of a traditonal PG role. Coleman has not been good lately Probably too late to make this change now, but IMO Luke should have been starting PG last half of MAC season. He just takes better care of the ball, better ball handler and makes better decisions. Coleman could be just effective off the ball.
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Post by prestonp on Mar 7, 2020 15:14:52 GMT -6
You know If I were Whit.. I would throw the old curve at Kent come out and start. Coleman, Ish, Thomas. Teague and Mallers or Acree.. Have Acree/mallers and Luke first off the bench. Hell maybe Have Coleman come in off the bench and start Luke at more of a traditonal PG role. Coleman has not been good lately Probably too late to make this change now, but IMO Luke should have been starting PG last half of MAC season. He just takes better care of the ball, better ball handler and makes better decisions. Coleman could be just effective off the ball. I have said that all season. Coleman is a good big guard but struggles bringing the ball up court.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 7, 2020 15:27:55 GMT -6
You know If I were Whit.. I would throw the old curve at Kent come out and start. Coleman, Ish, Thomas. Teague and Mallers or Acree.. Have Acree/mallers and Luke first off the bench. Hell maybe Have Coleman come in off the bench and start Luke at more of a traditonal PG role. Coleman has not been good lately Probably too late to make this change now, but IMO Luke should have been starting PG last half of MAC season. He just takes better care of the ball, better ball handler and makes better decisions. Coleman could be just effective off the ball. If safety was the only objective I think I agree. But Coleman does a better job making plays and driving to the basket. Luke is better off the ball.
How about a compromise where they share a little more?
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 7, 2020 22:13:37 GMT -6
Probably too late to make this change now, but IMO Luke should have been starting PG last half of MAC season. He just takes better care of the ball, better ball handler and makes better decisions. Coleman could be just effective off the ball. If safety was the only objective I think I agree. But Coleman does a better job making plays and driving to the basket. Luke is better off the ball.
How about a compromise where they share a little more?
Actually, couldn't disagree more. In the few times when they let Luke play the more traditional PG role, I think the offense flows better and he's more active in the offense. As an off guard, he's wasted (or at least limited) in Whit's offense as a purely spot-up 3-point shooter, which he can do but hasn't been exceptionally good at this year. Last time I was able to see a game in person, Coleman started the game at PG as usual. Offense struggled, poor movement overall, we were easy to guard, he threw the ball away a couple of times and got pulled. Luke replaced him as the primary ball handler, he worked two really nice pick and rolls with Teague that resulted in scores and even drove to the basket once himself, which also resulted in points. I know that's just one instance but I think we'd see that a lot more of that if he got more time at the position. And, he could still shoot the 3.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 7, 2020 23:21:06 GMT -6
I typed my statement and thought to myself people are going to think I am an Idiot. Interesting that I am not the only that thinks this way. I agree Coleman gives us a big guard that can get to the basket but I want BSU to win a championship. If Coleman is under control and taking care of the ball then fine let him keep going.. He has just been bad lately turning it over for no reason or turning it over going for the highlite. It just seems like Coleman could still play his game at the 2 and Luke could play a more stable PG role while still getting up his threes..
I really like Ish and Thomas in at the same time though
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Post by steve on Mar 8, 2020 7:20:35 GMT -6
Not that it matters, but with this years seeding at number 3, what was our highest seed the past 7 years in the Mac tournament?
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 8, 2020 8:19:55 GMT -6
I typed my statement and thought to myself people are going to think I am an Idiot. Interesting that I am not the only that thinks this way. I agree Coleman gives us a big guard that can get to the basket but I want BSU to win a championship. If Coleman is under control and taking care of the ball then fine let him keep going.. He has just been bad lately turning it over for no reason or turning it over going for the highlite. It just seems like Coleman could still play his game at the 2 and Luke could play a more stable PG role while still getting up his threes.. I really like Ish and Thomas in at the same time though Me too. Thomas is now the player I thought he would be all year. You are right about Ish being a better player with another guy who can go to the basket as well as shoot outside.
If we want a PG who plays like a mini-version of Persons then Bumbalough is better than Coleman and Mills is right he can play that P&R action at the key better.
BUT. I like that we have gone away from that this year. And, Luke being smaller without water bug quicks means he is not as much a threat to drive to the basket. Not as much drive and ditch means that he is not as effective as a play maker. Coleman does get into the lane, uses his size against smaller defenders and can score with the ball there.
You are right that Coleman has to stop the crap where he is inattentive, makes lazy passes or gets stripped, and also rein in his desire to make the highlight play. Everybody agrees on that.
Assuming Coleman does that I like the way we play. Bumbalough is then more effective at off guard. If open he has shown he can shoot quickly and can really get hot. Even if he doesn't take many shots though he is effective since he forces the opponent to extend and guard him. This gives more room inside for everyone else. Luke is also better getting out on the break and looking for the quick hitter. Probably we want him doing that instead of going back and getting the ball to bring it up. Coleman is bigger and we want him to hit the boards on D, so he isn't going to get down floor and have the mismatch as often.
Coleman at off guard just isn't the same threat. In fact he seems more effective going into the lane and being the screener, not spacing to give us room inside. I have seen too many possessions when Coleman is off the ball and he becomes more a safety outlet than a scoring threat.
Maybe that is OK early in the clock since he then becomes the PG later while Luke passes to him and gets away and tries to use a screen. I like that.
I suggested above we share the ball more. Maybe we let Luke bring the ball up more, especially when we want to try the P&R.
On defense, neither guard is great covering a really quick opposing player, Luke is small and has shown a lot of hustle so I guess better on the small guard, and Coleman is better on a bigger guard.
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Post by realitycheck on Mar 8, 2020 9:08:48 GMT -6
Coleman has some really strong attributes but ball handling isn’t one of them, IMO. He is a good rebounder, makes some good assists and can be effective with the drive and kick or use the glass when he finishes. He always kind of looks like he’s going in slow motion but it’s effective nonetheless.
His carelessness with the ball is well documented so I won’t rehash that but he’s also a lazy defender at times and is easily taken off the dribble. Needs to be more aware of using his help and collapsing into the lane when he is defending quicker guards. Outside shooting needs to improve over the summer. He also picks up his dribble often 35 feet from the basketball. Keep your dribble, son! And for the love of Mary, please cut the playground antics. Ish too. Just play and stop jawing and flexing and puffing. There’s a big difference between playing with emotion and passion versus acting like an ass and we’ve started crossing the line. I pray Whitford will nip that crap because we’re gonna get teed up soon. It’s coming and in true BSUish fashion it will happen at the worst time.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 8, 2020 9:29:31 GMT -6
Agree 100%. Coleman seems to yap at the refs constantly. How he’s not gotten a T yet I don’t know. And he and ish do need to learn the difference between swagger/emotion and playground.
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