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Post by cardfan on Mar 10, 2020 18:36:02 GMT -6
I have an underlying health issue that puts me in the high risk group. My mother is 92 and in an assisted living facility so she’s very high risk. My kids work in the health care field and are very likely to get exposed to this thing. My wife works where a case was announced today. My in laws are in their 70’s. The virus is spreading.
Yeah, I’m taking it very seriously.
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Post by Hoopsmith on Mar 10, 2020 18:51:41 GMT -6
I wonder if the play-in games in Dayton, and first weekend games in Cleveland will also be sans-fans. That'd honestly be pretty damn funny to see NCAA tournament games in an empty arena It has become very concerning, but this is when I'll know that Americans are taking it seriously... when a money-making venture (unlike the MACT) is shut down. You know it's the end times when gas is cheap and we're hoarding toilet paper.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 20:08:23 GMT -6
Realistically, if the MAC is deciding to play in private, then they wouldn’t want their NCAA representative playing the next week unless it is under similar circumstances.....correct?
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Mar 10, 2020 20:08:43 GMT -6
I wonder if the play-in games in Dayton, and first weekend games in Cleveland will also be sans-fans. That'd honestly be pretty damn funny to see NCAA tournament games in an empty arena It has become very concerning, but this is when I'll know that Americans are taking it seriously... when a money-making venture (unlike the MACT) is shut down. You know it's the end times when gas is cheap and we're hoarding toilet paper. The money is made on TV, not in the arena. And if more people are quarantined at home, not going to school/work/whatever, that's more eyeballs on the NCAAT. Honestly, I think it'd actually prove to be a net positive for the NCAA
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 10, 2020 21:12:25 GMT -6
Yep, I think if the TV ratings are good, we can look forward to the MAC going to a full slate of non-spectator events. ... I mean even moreso than they already have.
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Post by redfeather on Mar 10, 2020 21:56:21 GMT -6
Mac stated yesterday tournament was a full go.. We will wait and see what they say today The MAC was ahead of this by about 10 years or more....unfortunately!
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Mar 11, 2020 6:59:29 GMT -6
My issue with the media is that the flu kills 10s of thousands every year in the US, but it's a side note.
Corona: 31 so far.
Yes, it has a higher mortality rate. No offense to the elderly on the board, but if you have an underlying health issue, it's the same precautions you already take.
Can't help but wonder if the media are trying to pin it on Trump to prevent a second term.
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Mar 11, 2020 7:48:15 GMT -6
My issue with the media is that the flu kills 10s of thousands every year in the US, but it's a side note. Corona: 31 so far. Yes, it has a higher mortality rate. No offense to the elderly on the board, but if you have an underlying health issue, it's the same precautions you already take. Can't help but wonder if the media are trying to pin it on Trump to prevent a second term. I hear what you're saying and I get it. The only flaw being we have no idea what either the mortality rate or the spread is, because we're simply ill-equipped at this point to test on a large scale. Indiana has tested a total of 36 people. South Korea had tested some 36,000. The country's response to this outbreak has been extremely poor, and I'm not pinning this on the Republican administration. I'm pinning it on the CDC and those in charge of the HHS who were caught off guard, unprepared, and have done little to get out ahead of this. There are stories across the country of patients going to the hospital presenting identical symptoms to the CV (which also matches closely to the flu), being told they have influenza, and sent home without precautions, tests, or any guidance. ANYONE showing these types of symptoms should be tested immediately, and they aren't. Until our testing is able to get on top of things, we flat out have no idea what the true numbers are.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Mar 11, 2020 8:07:03 GMT -6
There was a lack of availability of test kits in the US, as Asian countries were grabbing them up. It takes some time to ramp up production, and it's starting to catch up.
A few weeks ago, sure, if you went to the hospital for flu-like symptoms, it was EXTREMELY unlikely that it would be CV, especially if your history doesn't suggest it, so they wouldn't test for it, since test kits were scarce. Most normally healthy people wouldn't go to the hospital anyway, unless it progressed into a respiratory issue.
It's not that CDC or HHS were unprepared, they just went with the information available. A month ago, someone who hadn't traveled to China or been around someone who had, had almost a 0% chance of contracting CV. Your odds are still very, very low if you take normal precautions.
Wash your hands, ya filthy animals!
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 11, 2020 9:49:06 GMT -6
My issue with the media is that the flu kills 10s of thousands every year in the US, but it's a side note. Corona: 31 so far. Yes, it has a higher mortality rate. No offense to the elderly on the board, but if you have an underlying health issue, it's the same precautions you already take. Can't help but wonder if the media are trying to pin it on Trump to prevent a second term. You cannot compare deaths from a disease that is widespread to this new one that has just made a foothold in the country a few weeks ago at earliest. It is still spreading and rapidly spreading in a geometric rate.
Let's be cautious now and perhaps make your comparison in 6 mos or a year. But, here are some sobering facts.
1. The flu infects about 31 million people October to February this year. There are maybe 31 thousand deaths. That is 1 tenth of one percent.
2. This disease has a mortality rate of 3 percent. It is 30 time more deadly.
3. High risk groups may face a death rate of 6-15% that is maybe 100 times more deadly.
You say just take the same precautions?
Dismissing this threat as one where we should just take the same precautions is to dismiss those high risks lightly.
Worse still, you prescribe that course when those groups cannot take the same precautions you advise. NO vaccine, for example. MUCH less information about how the disease is spread and where the danger exists.
No offense to the elderly you say? If this bug gets loose as widely as the flu, hospitals and health care could be overwhelmed and unable to deal with the many more serious cases. This won't be a case of staying home in bed for a few days for a lot of the elderly.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Mar 11, 2020 9:52:28 GMT -6
I think my attitude is better than the hysterics and panic that seem to be prevailing over common sense these days.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 11, 2020 9:59:08 GMT -6
There was a lack of availability of test kits in the US, as Asian countries were grabbing them up. It takes some time to ramp up production, and it's starting to catch up. A few weeks ago, sure, if you went to the hospital for flu-like symptoms, it was EXTREMELY unlikely that it would be CV, especially if your history doesn't suggest it, so they wouldn't test for it, since test kits were scarce. Most normally healthy people wouldn't go to the hospital anyway, unless it progressed into a respiratory issue. It's not that CDC or HHS were unprepared, they just went with the information available. A month ago, someone who hadn't traveled to China or been around someone who had, had almost a 0% chance of contracting CV. Your odds are still very, very low if you take normal precautions. Wash your hands, ya filthy animals! This post is full of misinformation.
The fact is that Asian countries are not using the same test kits we are. The CDC test kit turned out to be flawed and had to be redesigned.
We are not getting test kits but do not have laboratory capacity to process those tests.
They also quickly responded the disease threat and ramped up production.
It is definitely a case where CDC and HHS were unprepared. Some of it by design, on purpose. That is in large part why the information available was not accurate. Budget cuts were made to health agencies and scientists and health care professionals have been restricted in their activities for several years. The agency responsible for response to this kind of health threat was disbanded. Health care experts were let go this year, including those who normally would have gone to China and gathered information.
Besides that of course, the administration pointedly has ignored the information that is available, especially the President.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 11, 2020 10:04:02 GMT -6
All right this is going to be one of those threads that ultimately someone is going to get pissed off.. Keep it civil and keep all things corona in here..
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 11, 2020 10:11:36 GMT -6
Your odds are still very, very low if you take normal precautions. Wash your hands, ya filthy animals! Thanks for the advice. If the chance of mortality are as high as 10% for high risk patients I do not call the odds low.
But, are you really sure of that low odds part?
Where do I go for my vaccine? Can I count on everyone else to get their shots so they are not infected and contagious?
31 million Americans have had the flu this season, with a vaccine. That surely lowered the chances I encounter the disease. Without a vaccine isn't it likely or at least possible this bug will be more widespread?
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Mar 11, 2020 10:14:09 GMT -6
This post is full of misinformation.
The fact is that Asian countries are not using the same test kits we are. The CDC test kit turned out to be flawed and had to be redesigned.
We are not getting test kits but do not have laboratory capacity to process those tests.
They also quickly responded the disease threat and ramped up production.
It is definitely a case where CDC and HHS were unprepared. Some of it by design, on purpose. That is in large part why the information available was not accurate. Budget cuts were made to health agencies and scientists and health care professionals have been restricted in their activities for several years. The agency responsible for response to this kind of health threat was disbanded. Health care experts were let go this year, including those who normally would have gone to China and gathered information.
Besides that of course, the administration pointedly has ignored the information that is available, especially the President.
Asian kits use the same components, of which there was a shortage. So while yes, they use different kits, they use the same components. If you want to talk about whether budget cuts to those areas were defensible, that's a matter of opinion. With hindsight, maybe not. The administration wasn't ignoring the threat, it downplayed it to prevent panic from wrecking the economy. But the media can't have that, can they?
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