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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Mar 27, 2020 11:27:29 GMT -6
Peyton is busy crashing online courses at UT.
I can't believe he turned down Monday Night Football...
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 27, 2020 11:38:02 GMT -6
We just keep combining coaches and asking them to do more.. The financial crunch is real
Today @ballstatefb announced, as has previously been reported, that WR coach Alex Bailey will be the team's recruiting coordinator, too.
Also, ST/TE coach Patrick Dougherty has added the assistant head coach title.
And OL coach Colin Johnson will be the run game coordinator.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 27, 2020 11:39:07 GMT -6
Peyton is busy crashing online courses at UT. I can't believe he turned down Monday Night Football... He passed on some serious jack.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 27, 2020 12:02:44 GMT -6
You have to balance the "science" (which is speculative) with the reality of other aspects of life. No science is not just speculation. It is based on factual evidence and nobody says the theory of epidemics is 100% certain, but it is far more accurate than just a guess. When theory is science it is and has been tested and when wrong corrected.
You made statements about fact. The best evidence about that future you claim is going to occur does not back you up. That is not just opinion.
You say things will be true that are very very likely not true, starting out saying there is no difference in health consequences is the wrong way to balance things.
Let's just start with what is likely true in the factual arena, then talk about how that relates to other truths.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 27, 2020 12:55:35 GMT -6
Kirk Herbstreit says he’ll be surprised if there’s any football in 2020 because of the fear that just one infection in the locker room could cause an outbreak.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Mar 27, 2020 12:59:57 GMT -6
Ok, let's start by looking at this: What does this widely-circulated graph tell us? NOTHING. It is a meaningless representation since it has no numbers attached to it. Are these curves linear or logarithmic/exponential? This is how you spread fear by using arbitrary visuals. Show me a graph with some solid numbers, with actual science to back it up, and I'll be more than happy to listen.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Mar 27, 2020 13:00:56 GMT -6
Kirk Herbstreit says he’ll be surprised if there’s any football in 2020 because of the fear that just one infection in the locker room could cause an outbreak. Now it's serious.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 27, 2020 13:08:11 GMT -6
Plenty of folks would love to see their opposition fail....In reality we have no idea what the best course of action is because this thing is unlike what scientists and drs have seen. There is a toxic combination of politics with people just not understanding science.
Good discussion above about a new model and its limits.
Epidemiology can't just be thrown out because this is new territory. That would be saying we know for sure this is totally different. Best bet is that there will be new data that improves the model, but we have to go get the facts (more testing) and take time to study it.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 27, 2020 13:15:29 GMT -6
See, the right wing can be just as dangerous as any wing of different directions. Let’s tear down the expert on Trumps response team because he provides actual science and researched based information and doesn’t think we should declare victory just yet? Seems fair....
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Mar 27, 2020 13:28:16 GMT -6
Sure, the right, left, liberal, conservative, libertarian, authoritarian... whatever you want to call it... ALL of them have their wackos.
But politics has entered into the national (and global) conversation about the science involved, because many scientists (like all people) have their own biases, and it is influencing the information they present to the public.
It's disingenuous, and dangerous. It's wrecking people's lives, not just the ones that get sick, but EVERYONE is taking a huge hit.
That's why I say there has to be a balance. 00HMH is saying it's new territory, so we need time to study it. In the meantime, people are losing jobs, life savings, retirement funds. And a lot of people are still going to die. You can't say for certain which way is better.
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Post by bsu0 on Mar 27, 2020 13:36:04 GMT -6
The security services warned the administration in Nov/Dec that this was coming and they did Nothing!! Up until two weeks ago Trump referred to the pandemic as a ''HOAX''. Now we are all paying a price that did not have to be this high.
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Post by bsu0 on Mar 27, 2020 13:39:44 GMT -6
As to the football question I believe it will hurt us in the fall if we play. Spring is where young teams find out who are the players and who are the imposters. A marginal player can gain a boatload of confidence in the spring. I certainly hope that the pandemic is fading by then and fall schedules will be played.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 27, 2020 16:11:12 GMT -6
Ok, let's start by looking at this: What does this widely-circulated graph tell us? NOTHING. It is a meaningless representation since it has no numbers attached to it. Are these curves linear or logarithmic/exponential? This is how you spread fear by using arbitrary visuals. Show me a graph with some solid numbers, with actual science to back it up, and I'll be more than happy to listen. That is a bullshit argument. I never referred to that graph and you have not apparently read the linked material I provided.
YOU made a factual scientific claim that the number of deaths and number of infections would be the same.
NO SOURCE, graph or numbers. No basis whatsoever.
I have no idea what you would accept as good science. Or what expertise you are hiding that makes a judge of good science. All I do know is that you are willing to make scientific projections with NO basis. Which when called out, you claim were somehow based on other factors not related to science at all...
Now you want to criticize a graph which I never mentioned. OK. Let's talk about it. The graph you so cavalierly reject as "meaningless" has been presented numerous times by numerous experts with real credentials in science.
That curve without numbers is a graphic representation to explain projected data. There are no numbers because the numbers would be different for different types of epidemics. The graph which was not the source to which I referred. That particular graph has history, the first version was probably the graph that first appeared in a CDC publication in 2007. Cited below. We have had 13 years of later research and I find no source anywhere that says there is any change to the basic picture. See: www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/pdf/community_mitigation-sm.pdfIf you do not consider the CDC a good scientific source, go the various publications cited there and do a literature search on the authors and publications listed. If you want the hard science and most recent papers you can go online and obtain copies. That kind of literature review could start with a textbook on the topic. Most containing a graph much like the one you reject. There are plenty of references provided therein. On page 63 of that CDC source above you will find references used at that time to back up the CDC publication. Since it is freely available on the web, that would be a place to start. But since you are willing to make projections without any scientific backing at all I don't think scientific opinion or the evidence for it is all that relevant to you.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 27, 2020 16:16:40 GMT -6
Sure, the right, left, liberal, conservative, libertarian, authoritarian... whatever you want to call it... ALL of them have their wackos. But politics has entered into the national (and global) conversation about the science involved, because many scientists (like all people) have their own biases, and it is influencing the information they present to the public OK. But you make assertions of fact about the projected course of the disease.
We know what you believe. But. What you say contradicts all the authorities, you cite none. Isn't the question whether you are in the company of the wackos?
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Post by cardrock on Mar 27, 2020 19:17:22 GMT -6
I truly understand everyone’s concerns and comments. I have employment that’s been designated essential and will not for the immediate future anyways, be staying home. I’m having mixed emotions about my situation. With that said, could we kind of stick to football? I really just want to discuss, theorize, hope, wish about football for a minute. I really believed our boys were in a great position to do well this fall. There’s a lot coming back, key pieces. I really liked the idea of seeing a game in the Big House. Chirp-chirp!!!
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